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I think you may be projecting wrt any snide. I understand that you think the FSF has a public relations problem, and that's okay. As TFA pointed out, plenty o

by Jedd 8y ago

I think you may be projecting wrt any snide. I understand that you think the FSF has a public relations problem, and that's okay. As TFA pointed out, plenty of people don't understand the history of 'free software' or even 'open source', despite the latter's stated intent was to remove the ambiguity of the former. Eben and Richard put a lot of thought into the development of GPLv3, specifically around its applicability to SaaS. Your earlier comment suggested you believe they did not - though there's plenty of interviews with, and comments from, Eben around precisely these considerations back in 2007 when GPLv3 was released. Other licences - the Affero GPL variants are the obvious examples - can be applied to software where the author(s) wish to prevent SaaS (mis)use, but for various reasons these are not as widely utilised. Affero v2 was released, not by coincidence, shortly after GPLv3. You have conflated ethics with code, misheard rms & Eben's repeated warnings (the famous 'you get some php doodads and spying for free all the time' for example), made some ad hominem attacks on person(s) who've expressed laudable and consistent ethical position for over three decades, and failed to comprehend that Facebook (etc) are only in control of your personal data because you have provided it to them.

na85 8y ago
>You have conflated ethics with code, misheard rms & Eben's repeated warnings (the famous 'you get some php doodads and spying for free all the time' for example), made some ad hominem attacks on person(s) who've expressed laudable and consistent ethical position for over three decades, and failed to comprehend that Facebook (etc) are only in control of your personal data because you have provided it to them. I must be consistently misinterpreting you, because this part comes off very smug and superior. I'll say the following for other readers and then I'm not going to argue any further with an obvious troll. 1) I see little value to society in "maintaining a laudable and consistent ethical position" for any length of time if such a position does not help in actually advancing your cause. Proprietary software is stronger than ever in part because non-Affero licenses do not require SaaS vendors to contribute code back to the community. 2) Don't tell me what I failed or didn't fail to comprehend - facebook builds shadow profiles on people who don't have accounts, irrespective of whether or not they voluntarily provide information.
- Jedd 8y ago
  > I see little value to society in "maintaining a laudable and consistent ethical position" for any length of time if such a position does not help in actually advancing your cause. There's some implicit logical fallacies in there. There's a hint that if your cause isn't immediately advanced, then you should abandon your ethical position. There's the suggestion that your outside (and seemingly somewhat biased or under-informed) evaluation should be sufficient to convince others to abandon those positions. Then there's this claim that could best be described as asserting facts not in evidence: > Proprietary software is stronger than ever in part because non-Affero licenses do not require SaaS vendors to contribute code back to the community. As to: > Don't tell me what I failed or didn't fail to comprehend - facebook builds shadow profiles on people who don't have accounts, irrespective of whether or not they voluntarily provide information. Do you have a Facebook account?

by Jedd 8y ago

na85 8y ago

>You have conflated ethics with code, misheard rms & Eben's repeated warnings (the famous 'you get some php doodads and spying for free all the time' for example), made some ad hominem attacks on person(s) who've expressed laudable and consistent ethical position for over three decades, and failed to comprehend that Facebook (etc) are only in control of your personal data because you have provided it to them. I must be consistently misinterpreting you, because this part comes off very smug and superior. I'll say the following for other readers and then I'm not going to argue any further with an obvious troll. 1) I see little value to society in "maintaining a laudable and consistent ethical position" for any length of time if such a position does not help in actually advancing your cause. Proprietary software is stronger than ever in part because non-Affero licenses do not require SaaS vendors to contribute code back to the community. 2) Don't tell me what I failed or didn't fail to comprehend - facebook builds shadow profiles on people who don't have accounts, irrespective of whether or not they voluntarily provide information.

Jedd 8y ago
> I see little value to society in "maintaining a laudable and consistent ethical position" for any length of time if such a position does not help in actually advancing your cause. There's some implicit logical fallacies in there. There's a hint that if your cause isn't immediately advanced, then you should abandon your ethical position. There's the suggestion that your outside (and seemingly somewhat biased or under-informed) evaluation should be sufficient to convince others to abandon those positions. Then there's this claim that could best be described as asserting facts not in evidence: > Proprietary software is stronger than ever in part because non-Affero licenses do not require SaaS vendors to contribute code back to the community. As to: > Don't tell me what I failed or didn't fail to comprehend - facebook builds shadow profiles on people who don't have accounts, irrespective of whether or not they voluntarily provide information. Do you have a Facebook account?