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I don’t see how this is functionally different than having your wages garnished by a court order. Deadbeat dads are subject to the same financial scrutiny in th

I don’t see how this is functionally different than having your wages garnished by a court order. Deadbeat dads are subject to the same financial scrutiny in the US. I get the feeling now that much of the criticism of this system is just Western media clickbait.

not_kurt_godel 8y ago
It is fundamentally different in numerous ways. Being in debt in the western world does not mean you are officially prohibited from certain forms of travel, for starters. Another huge difference is that China's system is based on factors other than financial dealings such as anti-government views. It is a much stricter, less fair, more authoritarian system in nearly every aspect. I find your whataboutism to be highly suspicious.
- NoblePublius 8y ago
  If you’re a deadbeat dad and your wages are garnished, you’re blocked from travel because you don’t have any money. And if you spend the money on travel instead of your kids, the Court would know instantly in states where the Court systems plug into your bank accounts. We already do this. The Chinese system just seems more efficient. Obviously this is a horror show in a country without due process, but I have no problem with debtors being denied niceties.
- dang 8y ago
  Your last sentence breaks the site guideline against insinuations of astroturfing (and spying or shilling and all the rest of it). Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here? If anyone wants further explanation, there is plenty at the links here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19496892 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19496892. Also, please don't use the tired trope of "whataboutism" on HN. It contains no information, and is a form of name-calling that breaks the site guidelines as well. More on that: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=by:dang%20whataboutism https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... Your comment would be fine without that last sentence.
  - not_kurt_godel 8y ago
    Apologies for breaking the guidelines. I admit the insinuation wasn't entirely appropriate. I regularly encounter obvious pro-China astroturfing on the Internet and I jumped to a premature conclusion/attack in this case.
    - dang 8y ago
      I appreciate the response. We have to be really cautious about this, because the cost of getting it wrong is so high, both to the community and to anyone who is unfairly accused. If you look at the thread at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19401961 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19401961 you'll see an example of this.

not_kurt_godel 8y ago

It is fundamentally different in numerous ways. Being in debt in the western world does not mean you are officially prohibited from certain forms of travel, for starters. Another huge difference is that China's system is based on factors other than financial dealings such as anti-government views. It is a much stricter, less fair, more authoritarian system in nearly every aspect. I find your whataboutism to be highly suspicious.

NoblePublius 8y ago
If you’re a deadbeat dad and your wages are garnished, you’re blocked from travel because you don’t have any money. And if you spend the money on travel instead of your kids, the Court would know instantly in states where the Court systems plug into your bank accounts. We already do this. The Chinese system just seems more efficient. Obviously this is a horror show in a country without due process, but I have no problem with debtors being denied niceties.
dang 8y ago
Your last sentence breaks the site guideline against insinuations of astroturfing (and spying or shilling and all the rest of it). Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here? If anyone wants further explanation, there is plenty at the links here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19496892 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19496892. Also, please don't use the tired trope of "whataboutism" on HN. It contains no information, and is a form of name-calling that breaks the site guidelines as well. More on that: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=by:dang%20whataboutism https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... Your comment would be fine without that last sentence.
- not_kurt_godel 8y ago
  Apologies for breaking the guidelines. I admit the insinuation wasn't entirely appropriate. I regularly encounter obvious pro-China astroturfing on the Internet and I jumped to a premature conclusion/attack in this case.
  - dang 8y ago
    I appreciate the response. We have to be really cautious about this, because the cost of getting it wrong is so high, both to the community and to anyone who is unfairly accused. If you look at the thread at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19401961 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19401961 you'll see an example of this.