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I was under the impression that those kinds of tricks already happen with today's technology. Advertisers will put the advertised price in a hotlinked image se

by cbhl 8y ago

I was under the impression that those kinds of tricks already happen with today's technology. Advertisers will put the advertised price in a hotlinked image served from a server, and they will both (1) use the image being fetched as a proxy for the email being downloaded/opened/read, and (2) change the contents of the served image after-the-fact. ("Save this email and open it every day this week for a new deal" and other horrors.) Alphabet's Code of Conduct can be found at https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/ https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/ . I'm pretty sure "all our users" is intended to include advertisers and rightsholders (like music labels, movie companies).

ocdtrekkie 8y ago
The AMP Project actually maintains it's own code of conduct, which is what was being referred to in my comment: https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/blob/master/CODE_OF_CO... I don't have any inherently issue with CoCs, though I find it irritating when threat of "enforcing the CoC" is used as a method to silence legitimate, reasoned criticisms.
- Bartweiss 8y ago
  I'm curious what the implied violation was, if only for the benefit of other people thinking about CoCs. The "What We Believe" section certainly has lots of open-ended language; it's quite easy to declare any unwelcome criticism 'unconstructive', or any dissenting views 'tactless'. But the "Don't" section is quite a bit more concrete, and mostly wouldn't apply. Was the implication that "this is a fundamentally bad idea" counts as "derailing" or "unstructured critique"?
  - simpss 8y ago
    here's what he's referencing: https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/13457 https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/13457 https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/13597 https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/13597 and the resulting(check the timestamps): https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/13603 https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/13603
    - dmitriid 8y ago
      Only that process never materialised.
      - simpss 8y ago
        true, I initially missed the final response & only noticed it now when I linked the discussions. It is a bit disappointing and follows the common "wait until it cools down & give a non-response" pattern. But it's actually more than I expected. A response like this shows that they really were in a bit of a blinder there for a sec :)

by cbhl 8y ago

ocdtrekkie 8y ago

The AMP Project actually maintains it's own code of conduct, which is what was being referred to in my comment: https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/blob/master/CODE_OF_CO... I don't have any inherently issue with CoCs, though I find it irritating when threat of "enforcing the CoC" is used as a method to silence legitimate, reasoned criticisms.

Bartweiss 8y ago
I'm curious what the implied violation was, if only for the benefit of other people thinking about CoCs. The "What We Believe" section certainly has lots of open-ended language; it's quite easy to declare any unwelcome criticism 'unconstructive', or any dissenting views 'tactless'. But the "Don't" section is quite a bit more concrete, and mostly wouldn't apply. Was the implication that "this is a fundamentally bad idea" counts as "derailing" or "unstructured critique"?
- simpss 8y ago
  here's what he's referencing: https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/13457 https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/13457 https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/13597 https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/13597 and the resulting(check the timestamps): https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/13603 https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/13603
  - dmitriid 8y ago
    Only that process never materialised.
    - simpss 8y ago
      true, I initially missed the final response & only noticed it now when I linked the discussions. It is a bit disappointing and follows the common "wait until it cools down & give a non-response" pattern. But it's actually more than I expected. A response like this shows that they really were in a bit of a blinder there for a sec :)