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I’m pretty sure that if Apple had Google’s privacy-busting business model they’d be loathed too. If as a bonus they also worked on drones with the Pentagon you’

I’m pretty sure that if Apple had Google’s privacy-busting business model they’d be loathed too. If as a bonus they also worked on drones with the Pentagon you’d have even more hate. As it stands I’m yet to see an Apple article here that isn’t filled with people talking about the “Apple tax” and trying to define them as a monopoly.

enitihas 8y ago
Microsoft works with the DOD and gets minimal scrutiny. Also all the posts about apple tax also have similar number of posts talking about the google tax, even though google atleast allows people to download apks and install, like the route fortnite took.
- Pharmakon 8y ago
  Microsoft is one of the more loathed companies for what they’ve already done, never mind what they do now. I’m not sure where you’re getting “minimal scrutiny” from, except as another attempt to mitigate an understandable reaction to Google’s “winning” combination of hypocrisy and dominance.
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- sneak 8y ago
  I don’t know about you but I challenge every MSFT employee I know about the moral gymnastics involved in working for the largest software vendor defense contractor. Battleships run Windows. It made me really sad when they bought GitHub. Same for Amazon, who runs a whole racist region (GovCloud) which only employs US citizens.
cromwellian 8y ago
They do have a privacy busting business model in China. It's called selling a $1000+ device advertising its privacy features, and then handing over iCloud to a PLA owned company. They effectively sacrificed their own principles to stay in the Chinese market. Do we really believe that the way to circumvent all of China's internal internet control is for someone to just buy an iPhone? There are Uighurs in Xingjiang who own iPhones right now. Should they believe that iMessage in China is end-to-end secure and not worry that the government can obtain access? Based on the assurances of Tim Cook?
- briandear 8y ago
  iCloud is an optional feature.
  - cromwellian 8y ago
    True, but if you believe the marketing hype as a Chinese user, you might be suckered into using it, believing it would protect you better than WeChat did. The point is, Apple sells Privacy everywhere as their brand, but in China, has deprived their users of most means of attaining it, either by making their own offerings less secure, or by banning from their App Store, any third party apps that could let their users have privacy from the government. And then Tim Cook went to China and praised the government for it's vision of an open internet: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/12/04/apple-ceo-backs-chinas-vision-of-an-open-internet-as-censorship-reaches-new-heights/?utm_term=.39ef487daf9b https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/12/04... A lot of excuses being made for Apple not living up to their principles in China and kowtowing to the almighty dollar (or renminbi in this circumstance)

enitihas 8y ago

Microsoft works with the DOD and gets minimal scrutiny. Also all the posts about apple tax also have similar number of posts talking about the google tax, even though google atleast allows people to download apks and install, like the route fortnite took.

Pharmakon 8y ago
Microsoft is one of the more loathed companies for what they’ve already done, never mind what they do now. I’m not sure where you’re getting “minimal scrutiny” from, except as another attempt to mitigate an understandable reaction to Google’s “winning” combination of hypocrisy and dominance.
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sneak 8y ago
I don’t know about you but I challenge every MSFT employee I know about the moral gymnastics involved in working for the largest software vendor defense contractor. Battleships run Windows. It made me really sad when they bought GitHub. Same for Amazon, who runs a whole racist region (GovCloud) which only employs US citizens.

cromwellian 8y ago

They do have a privacy busting business model in China. It's called selling a $1000+ device advertising its privacy features, and then handing over iCloud to a PLA owned company. They effectively sacrificed their own principles to stay in the Chinese market. Do we really believe that the way to circumvent all of China's internal internet control is for someone to just buy an iPhone? There are Uighurs in Xingjiang who own iPhones right now. Should they believe that iMessage in China is end-to-end secure and not worry that the government can obtain access? Based on the assurances of Tim Cook?

briandear 8y ago
iCloud is an optional feature.
- cromwellian 8y ago
  True, but if you believe the marketing hype as a Chinese user, you might be suckered into using it, believing it would protect you better than WeChat did. The point is, Apple sells Privacy everywhere as their brand, but in China, has deprived their users of most means of attaining it, either by making their own offerings less secure, or by banning from their App Store, any third party apps that could let their users have privacy from the government. And then Tim Cook went to China and praised the government for it's vision of an open internet: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/12/04/apple-ceo-backs-chinas-vision-of-an-open-internet-as-censorship-reaches-new-heights/?utm_term=.39ef487daf9b https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/12/04... A lot of excuses being made for Apple not living up to their principles in China and kowtowing to the almighty dollar (or renminbi in this circumstance)