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AMP including AMP for email is governed by a multi-company Technical Steering Committee as well as Advisory Committee since last year. https://blog.amp.dev/2019

AMP including AMP for email is governed by a multi-company Technical Steering Committee as well as Advisory Committee since last year. https://blog.amp.dev/2019/03/06/encouraging-more-voices-in-amp/ https://blog.amp.dev/2019/03/06/encouraging-more-voices-in-a... AMP for email has support by Outlook, Yahoo, and Mail.ru, so it very much isn't under Google's control.

dashundchen 8y ago
Looking at their technical steering committee, 3 out of 7 members are from Google, with only one from a company of what I would consider equivalent pull (Microsoft). https://github.com/ampproject/meta-tsc https://github.com/ampproject/meta-tsc I would hardly consider Yahoo to be a leader in anything at this point, not sure about mail.ru. From an outsider's perspective AMP looks Google controlled. It looks like from your comment history you are part of Google's AMP team. It would be nice to disclose that.
- cramforce 8y ago
  Yahoo is a BIG email client. The TSC requires majority consensus. Google does not have a majority.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    Google’s three plus any one other member does, though.
    - cramforce 8y ago
      Yes, but you know, that isn't Google controlling it and these are all member from major internet companies that won't take part in such a "conspiracy".
      - AaronFriel 8y ago
        Why does Google have three members then?
        cramforce 8y ago
        Because we do the majority of the work. The governance body size will, however, expand with further non-Google members. So, the hypothetical "you just have to convince only one" is becoming less of an issue over time.
        X-Istence 8y ago
        ^ cramforce works for Google on AMP.
        ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
        Of course it's always the benevolent Google ramming down their network down our throats. How would AMP bans work? You can't even read any email in any client?
      - djanogo 8y ago
        You shouldn't comment unless you disclose that your affiliation with AMP team.
      - dmitriid 8y ago
        Can you remind us again how AMP for email came to be? I remember you talking about how transparent the process is, but, alas, you never described it. And to quote another member of the discussions back then, anyone raising concerns: > were closed or locked, and the head of AMP blocked us. You being the head of AMP, of course.
      - JohnFen 8y ago
        I don't find that argument even a little persuasive. Google is the Big Dog there.
  - jtmarl1n 8y ago
    Are you going to comment on your membership to the google AMP team?
- anth_anm 8y ago
  > It looks like from your comment history you are part of Google's AMP team. It would be nice to disclose that. I wouldn't want to disclose being part of AMP.
- yc12340 8y ago
  > I would hardly consider Yahoo to be a leader in anything at this point, not sure about mail.ru. mail.ru is owned by the same mafia group, that controls majority of Russian internet. They are either very stupid or want the same thing as Google (to destroy email as we know it). It is probably both. Participation of mail.ru implies, that Russian mail providers won't ban Google in retaliation for this crap (neither on SMTP level nor via country-wide firewall).
ocdtrekkie 8y ago
You yourself stated to us that Gmail team would implement AMP4Email as they wished. Did Outlook or Yahoo or Mail.ru have a choice in just telling you not to deploy AMP4Email? Or did you tell them Gmail was doing it no matter what, and ask if they wanted to not lose compatibility with 2/3rds of all email accounts on the Internet? Suggesting any part of AMP is open still feels very disingenuous when you recognize the monopoly position of the company spearheading it.
JohnFen 8y ago
> AMP including AMP for email is governed by a multi-company Technical Steering Committee as well as Advisory Committee since last year ...which means nearly nothing.

dashundchen 8y ago

Looking at their technical steering committee, 3 out of 7 members are from Google, with only one from a company of what I would consider equivalent pull (Microsoft). https://github.com/ampproject/meta-tsc https://github.com/ampproject/meta-tsc I would hardly consider Yahoo to be a leader in anything at this point, not sure about mail.ru. From an outsider's perspective AMP looks Google controlled. It looks like from your comment history you are part of Google's AMP team. It would be nice to disclose that.

cramforce 8y ago
Yahoo is a BIG email client. The TSC requires majority consensus. Google does not have a majority.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  Google’s three plus any one other member does, though.
  - cramforce 8y ago
    Yes, but you know, that isn't Google controlling it and these are all member from major internet companies that won't take part in such a "conspiracy".
    - AaronFriel 8y ago
      Why does Google have three members then?
      - cramforce 8y ago
        Because we do the majority of the work. The governance body size will, however, expand with further non-Google members. So, the hypothetical "you just have to convince only one" is becoming less of an issue over time.
        X-Istence 8y ago
        ^ cramforce works for Google on AMP.
        ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
        Of course it's always the benevolent Google ramming down their network down our throats. How would AMP bans work? You can't even read any email in any client?
    - djanogo 8y ago
      You shouldn't comment unless you disclose that your affiliation with AMP team.
    - dmitriid 8y ago
      Can you remind us again how AMP for email came to be? I remember you talking about how transparent the process is, but, alas, you never described it. And to quote another member of the discussions back then, anyone raising concerns: > were closed or locked, and the head of AMP blocked us. You being the head of AMP, of course.
    - JohnFen 8y ago
      I don't find that argument even a little persuasive. Google is the Big Dog there.
- jtmarl1n 8y ago
  Are you going to comment on your membership to the google AMP team?
anth_anm 8y ago
> It looks like from your comment history you are part of Google's AMP team. It would be nice to disclose that. I wouldn't want to disclose being part of AMP.
yc12340 8y ago
> I would hardly consider Yahoo to be a leader in anything at this point, not sure about mail.ru. mail.ru is owned by the same mafia group, that controls majority of Russian internet. They are either very stupid or want the same thing as Google (to destroy email as we know it). It is probably both. Participation of mail.ru implies, that Russian mail providers won't ban Google in retaliation for this crap (neither on SMTP level nor via country-wide firewall).

ocdtrekkie 8y ago

You yourself stated to us that Gmail team would implement AMP4Email as they wished. Did Outlook or Yahoo or Mail.ru have a choice in just telling you not to deploy AMP4Email? Or did you tell them Gmail was doing it no matter what, and ask if they wanted to not lose compatibility with 2/3rds of all email accounts on the Internet? Suggesting any part of AMP is open still feels very disingenuous when you recognize the monopoly position of the company spearheading it.

JohnFen 8y ago

> AMP including AMP for email is governed by a multi-company Technical Steering Committee as well as Advisory Committee since last year ...which means nearly nothing.