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EU Elections are coming up. Vote for the pirate faction in your country or check who voted what and only vote for those parties that voted against A13 or if the

by zaarn 8y ago

EU Elections are coming up. Vote for the pirate faction in your country or check who voted what and only vote for those parties that voted against A13 or if there are none, parties that are vocal against A13. Same goes for your countries own election cycle.

Shivetya 8y ago
American here. Now I know some nations within the EU have proportional voting but I have to ask, how difficult is it to unseat a politician? How difficult is it to do so within their party, are there the equivalent of the US primary system? For the US, unless they are not running the chance of reelection is very high so without some sort of political shift not governed by one of our two parties is near impossible.
- nickcotter 8y ago
  Just to clarify - all European Parliament elections (not member state elections) have to use proportional representation. What exact type they use varies.
- zaarn 8y ago
  Depends on the memberstate, in germany the politicians are seated by the parties with longer lists on which you can vote.
- mantas 8y ago
  It's more about changing power ratio between parties rather than unseating a specific politician. If a known politician fucks up badly, they can get elected next time even if their party support drops a lot. And that's still a win for the opponents.
- jnaddef 8y ago
  French here. To be honest in France almost nobody knows who is seating at the European Parliament, we have absolutely no visibility to what is being voted, even less who voted what. A commonly accepted view (at least around me, I might be biased) is that our representatives there are useless, whoever they are. We had about 60% abstention in 2014's elections, I think that says it all.
trickstra 8y ago
where can I get the lists of names and how they voted for this specific bill?
- zaarn 8y ago
  You'd have to look for your country, Julia Reda (senficon on Twitter) published a list, I'm unsure if it's for all MEPs, Martin Sonneborn (MartinSonneborn on Twitter) published a simple graphic for german MEPs.
- tutanchamun 8y ago
  Julia Reda has posted the raw data: https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/copyrightvote.pdf https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/copyrightvot... It should be available on the site of the european parliament as well.
  - trickstra 8y ago
    Thanks, I just found it too on the EP website, however without the explanation of the votes and buried in the middle of a 300 page word document. Isn't it nice that the people deciding about the future of internet are doing that by passing around word documents like it's 2001? I wonder how many people here can imagine a more readable presentation of such data...
    - mpfundstein 8y ago
      Even rappers realize this. To quote J-Cole's BRACKETS I'll write a check to the IRS, my pockets get slim Damn, do I even have a say 'bout where it's goin'? Some older nigga told me to start votin' I said "Democracy is too fuckin' slow" If I'm givin' y'all this hard-earned bread, I wanna know Better yet, let me decide, bitch, it's 2018 Let me pick the things I'm funding from an app on my screen Better that than letting wack congressman I've never seen Dictate where my money go, straight into the palms of some
- petre 8y ago
  Here: https://saveyourinternet.eu/act/ https://saveyourinternet.eu/act/
i6tjvo 8y ago
Let's be honest here, I have much bigger fish to fry. I like a free Internet, but it's low on my list of concerns, way below affordable housing, much stricter control of my country's borders, better support for entrepreneurs, more security and better police, etc. I'm not going to vote for a "pirate party" as if that was the most important thing in my life.
- zaarn 8y ago
  You just watched conservative MEPs completely ignore all expert advice, all protesting, all petitions in favor of listening to lobby advocates and you still think that if the same happens on a problem you care about they will suddenly listen to you instead of the lobby?
- nnq 8y ago
  ...then you're free to enjoy the "advantages" of "stricter borders" together with messed up copy right laws that will stop you from creating and sharing on open platform websites, you deserve them both :) Have fun with your totalitarian nationalist utopia: if you think anything referencing technologies like "upload filters" (their simple EXISTENCE!) is about anything then enabling tools of totalitarian mass control of sheeple. In a normal open society people are free to put whatever they want up online. Now if someone else realizes afterwards that it violates their copyright, they can ask for it to be taken down in a certain interval of time, and if you or the platform don't agree about this, you proceed to settle the dispute in court. Even DMCA and such kind of work this way: after something ends up online you can solicit it to go down! Same with people: you allow people in, and if they do illegal stuff (this may include whatever your laws want to say, including staying too much without holding a job or creating a business, whatever, write it in your laws) you kick them out or throw them in jail. If go the other way, it's easy for the "Overton window" to slide over you and you'll go from "innocent until proven guilty" to "guilty until you can prove innocence (or racial purity or whatever)" in a jiffy... Once you're talking "walls" and "upload filters" you're on the path to some kind of fascism or natzysm, regardless of how you call it, and whether it's state or corporate powered (yeah, Google and Facebook will be more than happy making profits selling "upload filters" or "border control people screening technologies" just as well, they don't care where the $ comes from)...
dekajoo 8y ago
Where can I find such list ?
petre 8y ago
Can't do that. The party that mostly voted agsonst it are crooks. My best bet are independent candidates that voted against it, provided they will run again. As far as I'm concerned with, voting doesn't work, the democratic process in the EU doesn't work.

by zaarn 8y ago

Shivetya 8y ago

American here. Now I know some nations within the EU have proportional voting but I have to ask, how difficult is it to unseat a politician? How difficult is it to do so within their party, are there the equivalent of the US primary system? For the US, unless they are not running the chance of reelection is very high so without some sort of political shift not governed by one of our two parties is near impossible.

nickcotter 8y ago
Just to clarify - all European Parliament elections (not member state elections) have to use proportional representation. What exact type they use varies.
zaarn 8y ago
Depends on the memberstate, in germany the politicians are seated by the parties with longer lists on which you can vote.
mantas 8y ago
It's more about changing power ratio between parties rather than unseating a specific politician. If a known politician fucks up badly, they can get elected next time even if their party support drops a lot. And that's still a win for the opponents.
jnaddef 8y ago
French here. To be honest in France almost nobody knows who is seating at the European Parliament, we have absolutely no visibility to what is being voted, even less who voted what. A commonly accepted view (at least around me, I might be biased) is that our representatives there are useless, whoever they are. We had about 60% abstention in 2014's elections, I think that says it all.

trickstra 8y ago

where can I get the lists of names and how they voted for this specific bill?

zaarn 8y ago
You'd have to look for your country, Julia Reda (senficon on Twitter) published a list, I'm unsure if it's for all MEPs, Martin Sonneborn (MartinSonneborn on Twitter) published a simple graphic for german MEPs.
tutanchamun 8y ago
Julia Reda has posted the raw data: https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/copyrightvote.pdf https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/copyrightvot... It should be available on the site of the european parliament as well.
- trickstra 8y ago
  Thanks, I just found it too on the EP website, however without the explanation of the votes and buried in the middle of a 300 page word document. Isn't it nice that the people deciding about the future of internet are doing that by passing around word documents like it's 2001? I wonder how many people here can imagine a more readable presentation of such data...
  - mpfundstein 8y ago
    Even rappers realize this. To quote J-Cole's BRACKETS I'll write a check to the IRS, my pockets get slim Damn, do I even have a say 'bout where it's goin'? Some older nigga told me to start votin' I said "Democracy is too fuckin' slow" If I'm givin' y'all this hard-earned bread, I wanna know Better yet, let me decide, bitch, it's 2018 Let me pick the things I'm funding from an app on my screen Better that than letting wack congressman I've never seen Dictate where my money go, straight into the palms of some
petre 8y ago
Here: https://saveyourinternet.eu/act/ https://saveyourinternet.eu/act/

i6tjvo 8y ago

Let's be honest here, I have much bigger fish to fry. I like a free Internet, but it's low on my list of concerns, way below affordable housing, much stricter control of my country's borders, better support for entrepreneurs, more security and better police, etc. I'm not going to vote for a "pirate party" as if that was the most important thing in my life.

zaarn 8y ago
You just watched conservative MEPs completely ignore all expert advice, all protesting, all petitions in favor of listening to lobby advocates and you still think that if the same happens on a problem you care about they will suddenly listen to you instead of the lobby?
nnq 8y ago
...then you're free to enjoy the "advantages" of "stricter borders" together with messed up copy right laws that will stop you from creating and sharing on open platform websites, you deserve them both :) Have fun with your totalitarian nationalist utopia: if you think anything referencing technologies like "upload filters" (their simple EXISTENCE!) is about anything then enabling tools of totalitarian mass control of sheeple. In a normal open society people are free to put whatever they want up online. Now if someone else realizes afterwards that it violates their copyright, they can ask for it to be taken down in a certain interval of time, and if you or the platform don't agree about this, you proceed to settle the dispute in court. Even DMCA and such kind of work this way: after something ends up online you can solicit it to go down! Same with people: you allow people in, and if they do illegal stuff (this may include whatever your laws want to say, including staying too much without holding a job or creating a business, whatever, write it in your laws) you kick them out or throw them in jail. If go the other way, it's easy for the "Overton window" to slide over you and you'll go from "innocent until proven guilty" to "guilty until you can prove innocence (or racial purity or whatever)" in a jiffy... Once you're talking "walls" and "upload filters" you're on the path to some kind of fascism or natzysm, regardless of how you call it, and whether it's state or corporate powered (yeah, Google and Facebook will be more than happy making profits selling "upload filters" or "border control people screening technologies" just as well, they don't care where the $ comes from)...

dekajoo 8y ago

Where can I find such list ?

petre 8y ago

Can't do that. The party that mostly voted agsonst it are crooks. My best bet are independent candidates that voted against it, provided they will run again. As far as I'm concerned with, voting doesn't work, the democratic process in the EU doesn't work.