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Europe is more likely to be hived off from rest of internet as most companies won't cater to such nonsense. Progress continues, just less so in Europe.

varjag 8y ago
As long as their cashflow in Europe is in black, they will absolutely cater. But we'll see soon enough.
- nkkollaw 8y ago
  Doubt it. It's very easy to implement GDPR compliance, and A LOT of websites opted for blocking their content in Europe instead of working to make their services compliant. The requirements for being compliant with these directives are so difficult, than only major companies will have the resource to do it, and many will definitely not think it's worth the effort.
  - varjag 8y ago
    Businesses historically catered to a lot more expensive to implement laws. Personal data territorial hosting, years worth of logging for law enforcement, content filtering compliance, and it was barely on anyone's radar. Reddit and other social networks rally users against this law however as it's contrarian to their bottom line and growth curves. It is important to pause and consider if the law (certainly promoted by large copyright holders) harms these networks, individuals, or society at large.
    - nkkollaw 8y ago
      Sure, I guess... What size businesses are you talking about? There are a lot of small websites that will go bankrupt (or, just close down) if this is passed, where there's a solo developer that has no time nor money to implement AI-powered filter to figure out if his users upload copyrighted content. If you're talking about Apple and Google, then sure--but the internet is mostly made up of extremely small, understaffed projects. If companies catered to a lot more expensive to implement laws it's baffling to me why many, many websites don't work in Europe after they passed GDPR laws, then. I guess the fact that they can't use people's data however they please anymore doesn't make it worth it to serve webpages here..?
  - adev_ 8y ago
    > It's very easy to implement GDPR compliance, and A LOT of websites opted for blocking their content in Europe instead of working to make their services compliant. "A LOT". I live in Europe and the number of website inaccessible due to GDPR is not even one for one thousand... And most of the "non-compliant" ones are insignificant. Only big companies or lawyers makes GDPR a big deal...
    - nkkollaw 8y ago
      Sure. Whatever you say.
  - dorgo 8y ago
    >It's very easy to implement GDPR compliance Really? I had the impression that it borders on impossible to be GDPR compliant. At least in theory. In praxis nobody is GDPR compliant and nobody cares. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/nightmare-letter-subject-access-request-under-gdpr-karbaliotis/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/nightmare-letter-subject-acce...
- AJ007 8y ago
  I've suggested before that users could post bonds to have publishing access to a platform. Large organizations, like Disney, would have no trouble posting a bond to allow publication to Youtube. Smaller "social influencers" could post under some sort of syndicated organization. That organization would take a cut of all of the ad revenue / promo deals, whatever makes sense up to a point. This would also cut back on the amount of content being published to an extent someone like Google could have very robust and thorough moderating teams. Cashflow being in the black isn't enough. The risks have to be offset. It isn't particularly clear that can be done without offloading financial risk to the parties who are posting content on the platform. Having very high financial penalties combined with legal requirements that are probably impossible to implement could just mean the "cashflow in the black" will be that way until it inevitably isn't.
_ph_ 8y ago
Even hacker news could decide to block EU IPs, so they don't get slapped with some lawsuits, should one commenter ever put some copyrighted content into the comments.
faissaloo 8y ago
Correction: There won't be an internet anymore. China has already walled themselves off, Russia's been looking into it, the EU is just next in line.

varjag 8y ago

As long as their cashflow in Europe is in black, they will absolutely cater. But we'll see soon enough.

nkkollaw 8y ago
Doubt it. It's very easy to implement GDPR compliance, and A LOT of websites opted for blocking their content in Europe instead of working to make their services compliant. The requirements for being compliant with these directives are so difficult, than only major companies will have the resource to do it, and many will definitely not think it's worth the effort.
- varjag 8y ago
  Businesses historically catered to a lot more expensive to implement laws. Personal data territorial hosting, years worth of logging for law enforcement, content filtering compliance, and it was barely on anyone's radar. Reddit and other social networks rally users against this law however as it's contrarian to their bottom line and growth curves. It is important to pause and consider if the law (certainly promoted by large copyright holders) harms these networks, individuals, or society at large.
  - nkkollaw 8y ago
    Sure, I guess... What size businesses are you talking about? There are a lot of small websites that will go bankrupt (or, just close down) if this is passed, where there's a solo developer that has no time nor money to implement AI-powered filter to figure out if his users upload copyrighted content. If you're talking about Apple and Google, then sure--but the internet is mostly made up of extremely small, understaffed projects. If companies catered to a lot more expensive to implement laws it's baffling to me why many, many websites don't work in Europe after they passed GDPR laws, then. I guess the fact that they can't use people's data however they please anymore doesn't make it worth it to serve webpages here..?
- adev_ 8y ago
  > It's very easy to implement GDPR compliance, and A LOT of websites opted for blocking their content in Europe instead of working to make their services compliant. "A LOT". I live in Europe and the number of website inaccessible due to GDPR is not even one for one thousand... And most of the "non-compliant" ones are insignificant. Only big companies or lawyers makes GDPR a big deal...
  - nkkollaw 8y ago
    Sure. Whatever you say.
- dorgo 8y ago
  >It's very easy to implement GDPR compliance Really? I had the impression that it borders on impossible to be GDPR compliant. At least in theory. In praxis nobody is GDPR compliant and nobody cares. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/nightmare-letter-subject-access-request-under-gdpr-karbaliotis/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/nightmare-letter-subject-acce...
AJ007 8y ago
I've suggested before that users could post bonds to have publishing access to a platform. Large organizations, like Disney, would have no trouble posting a bond to allow publication to Youtube. Smaller "social influencers" could post under some sort of syndicated organization. That organization would take a cut of all of the ad revenue / promo deals, whatever makes sense up to a point. This would also cut back on the amount of content being published to an extent someone like Google could have very robust and thorough moderating teams. Cashflow being in the black isn't enough. The risks have to be offset. It isn't particularly clear that can be done without offloading financial risk to the parties who are posting content on the platform. Having very high financial penalties combined with legal requirements that are probably impossible to implement could just mean the "cashflow in the black" will be that way until it inevitably isn't.

_ph_ 8y ago

Even hacker news could decide to block EU IPs, so they don't get slapped with some lawsuits, should one commenter ever put some copyrighted content into the comments.

faissaloo 8y ago

Correction: There won't be an internet anymore. China has already walled themselves off, Russia's been looking into it, the EU is just next in line.