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Ah, so when you disagree, people voted for lies? But when you agree then it’s the will of the people?

calcifer 8y ago
The lies told by the leave campaign has been extensively documented, including by courts. It's all a google search away.
- antipropaganda 8y ago
  So are the lies of the remain campaign ?
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- tasuki 8y ago
  Yes, and it's completely beside the point. The point being that this was how the people voted. Democracy right there.
- kypro 8y ago
  It would only be worse if the government backed one side of the debate with millions of pounds of public money. Thank god that didn't happen... /sarcasm
- toasterlovin 8y ago
  Whether lies were spread on one side or another does not invalidate the fact that people showed up to the polls and cast votes.
pmlnr 8y ago
Oh, come on. Yes, mislead will is also a will. However, the Brexit vote should never have been legally binding, it's now how referendums work in England. The people who wanted Brexit literally said out loud we lied next morning, the resigned and/or disappeared. Sure, it's the will of the people...
- cr1895 8y ago
  >the Brexit vote should never have been legally binding It wasn't.
- Chestofdraw 8y ago
  >Brexit vote should never have been legally binding It should have been legally binding, if it had been then it could have been challenged in court and very likely would have been overturned due to the cheating of the leave campaigns.
NeedMoreTea 8y ago
"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it." N Farage, May 2016.
- toasterlovin 8y ago
  You seem to have misinterpreted me. I was not speaking to the finality of the Brexit vote (and I agree that a roughly 50/50 split is not a mandate), but to the tactic of attempting to invalidate your political opponents by claiming that they were duped or hoodwinked into voting the way they did. It's incredibly patronizing (in addition to being illogical).
  - NeedMoreTea 8y ago
    It's not a "tactic". It's a statement of the absurd level of lies and disinformation from the Brexit side from Farage, Gove and Johnson and in interviews and advert all the way down to local campaigns. Subsequently shown to have had illegal levels of spending, criticised by the electoral commission and countless stories about hidden funding, dubious tactics from Cambridge Analytica or whoever, or bullshit facebook ads. Remain came out with some poor predictions, but there weren't, as far as I can tell, any outright lies. A distinct lack of revelations after the event too. Sure, there's always some dubious local leaflets, or a stupid statement or three, in every election. This was quantitatively and qualitatively different by orders of magnitude. By far the most disingenuous campaign I've ever seen for a UK vote. So I do feel duped - I don't think it matters which way one voted - as UK elections have generally done much, much better at presenting issues. The leave campaign promised the moon on a stick in a very US style, which 24hr news happily amplified. Farage burst the bus slogan the morning after the result. Suffice to say both sides ran bloody awful campaigns, and the end result is no-one is happy. The first EU referendum saw a booklet sent to every household discussing and arguing both sides of all the main issues - to allow people a chance to understand before voting. Leave actually had a case back then - in joining the EU we were turning our back on significant and long standing Commonwealth trade arrangements.
    - 8y ago

The lies told by the leave campaign has been extensively documented, including by courts. It's all a google search away.

antipropaganda 8y ago
So are the lies of the remain campaign ?
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tasuki 8y ago
Yes, and it's completely beside the point. The point being that this was how the people voted. Democracy right there.
kypro 8y ago
It would only be worse if the government backed one side of the debate with millions of pounds of public money. Thank god that didn't happen... /sarcasm
toasterlovin 8y ago
Whether lies were spread on one side or another does not invalidate the fact that people showed up to the polls and cast votes.

pmlnr 8y ago

Oh, come on. Yes, mislead will is also a will. However, the Brexit vote should never have been legally binding, it's now how referendums work in England. The people who wanted Brexit literally said out loud we lied next morning, the resigned and/or disappeared. Sure, it's the will of the people...

cr1895 8y ago
>the Brexit vote should never have been legally binding It wasn't.
Chestofdraw 8y ago
>Brexit vote should never have been legally binding It should have been legally binding, if it had been then it could have been challenged in court and very likely would have been overturned due to the cheating of the leave campaigns.

NeedMoreTea 8y ago

"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it." N Farage, May 2016.

toasterlovin 8y ago
You seem to have misinterpreted me. I was not speaking to the finality of the Brexit vote (and I agree that a roughly 50/50 split is not a mandate), but to the tactic of attempting to invalidate your political opponents by claiming that they were duped or hoodwinked into voting the way they did. It's incredibly patronizing (in addition to being illogical).
- NeedMoreTea 8y ago
  It's not a "tactic". It's a statement of the absurd level of lies and disinformation from the Brexit side from Farage, Gove and Johnson and in interviews and advert all the way down to local campaigns. Subsequently shown to have had illegal levels of spending, criticised by the electoral commission and countless stories about hidden funding, dubious tactics from Cambridge Analytica or whoever, or bullshit facebook ads. Remain came out with some poor predictions, but there weren't, as far as I can tell, any outright lies. A distinct lack of revelations after the event too. Sure, there's always some dubious local leaflets, or a stupid statement or three, in every election. This was quantitatively and qualitatively different by orders of magnitude. By far the most disingenuous campaign I've ever seen for a UK vote. So I do feel duped - I don't think it matters which way one voted - as UK elections have generally done much, much better at presenting issues. The leave campaign promised the moon on a stick in a very US style, which 24hr news happily amplified. Farage burst the bus slogan the morning after the result. Suffice to say both sides ran bloody awful campaigns, and the end result is no-one is happy. The first EU referendum saw a booklet sent to every household discussing and arguing both sides of all the main issues - to allow people a chance to understand before voting. Leave actually had a case back then - in joining the EU we were turning our back on significant and long standing Commonwealth trade arrangements.
  - 8y ago