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> There are really only two major players who have awful legacy software. We spent $300k last year to aquire a single seat on a piece of software. We spent anot
by doodlebugging 8y ago
> There are really only two major players who have awful legacy software. We spent $300k last year to aquire a single seat on a piece of software. We spent another $200k on 2 seats for a year of another piece of software.
What? There many more than two major players and every large contractor has written their own internal processing software. The best tools in their packages are reserved for internal use only, just as the majors did decades ago when the majors operated their own acquisition crews and had in-house processing staff.
Multi-nationals would do turkey-shoots to put new data in the hands of multiple contractors and let them have at it with their best processors and tools partly to see if processing shops had developed better tools but also to target talented processors for their own operations. It's pretty cut-throat out there.
If your company spent $300k on a single seat I would love to know what software they licensed. As an independent contractor for a couple of decades I have been able to license top software packages from top-line processing software companies for under $100k per seat. After you buy that seat you are only paying maintenance in successive years so your costs usually drop to around 20% of the cost of a new license. It covers patches and maintenance and entitles you to new versions on upgrade as long as you are current on your license. You can get a second-tier package for less than $60k + 20% annual maintenance. Some brand new packages I evaluated in the last 5 years debuted below $40k for a package that was full-featured and ready to go from field tapes to final deliverables. Your people must not do any evaluation at all.
The seismic software field is constantly changing.
>These applications are total garbage too.
Haha. I have seen a lot of this in my time in the industry. One thing that chaps most of our asses is that the larger software companies are tuned to the needs of those who hold the most software licenses so small shops are frequently ignored if they request new features, bug fixes, etc. in favor of the software provider adding some new whiz-bang feature for a large license holder.
A lot of the software packages available share the same roots. Several packages that I have personally evaluated are derived from one single public code base with the only real difference being their GUI. One may be more user-friendly, another sucks to have to deal with it but it has all the tools plus some custom gizmorithms, a third is almost a clone of the first but leaves out modules most useful for land or marine data and doesn't allow VSP processing.
I know they are the same code base because I cornered the developers when I noticed errors common to all of them. I had documented a persistent bug (hey, now it's a feature!) in their software while also evaluating other provider's software and in the process found two other packages that would produce the exact same output every time given identical input even though the output was clearly wrong. In one of the packages, even the parameterization screen dialogs were nearly identical. Pretty unimaginative GUI coders for some of this stuff but it is likely because the guys slapping the interface on this kludge don't actually understand the objectives behind what we are doing, they don't understand which bits of information make or break the imaging effort, etc. because they are coders and not geophysicists.
But, overall, large contractors employ some of the brightest minds in geophysics, computer science, physics, mathematics, geology, etc. That is the main reason that we are able to squeeze old data to extract even more geology than we initially could when it was acquired. Algorithms have improved, hardware is up to the task of keeping everything straight as it gets hammered through the flows.
- shiftpgdn 8y agoFor seismic work as far as I can tell almost everyone is using just Petrel and Paradigm as their core day to day tools. H&R has some stuff but really if you look at people working in the field you'll see Petrel experience is the most common trait. Yes every shop has internal tools but again much of this is stuff cobbled together by non-software developers. I remember at one point a major tool at this one shop stopped working. It turns out they had hard coded a network share as a temp folder and the folder got removed. Out $300k spend was on a completely loaded out license from a company that rhymes with lumberge. I don't want to put the name since there was a pretty strict NDA infront.
- doodlebugging 8y agoThanks for the additional information. I believe you were probably listing prices for interpretation software packages like Petrel. Processing software is an entirely different animal and that is what I was talking about in my reply. You have to process the data so that it can be interpreted. Your big packages for interpretation are Petrel, Paradigm's Epos systems, and IHS Kingdom-SMT. They are all great packages but as you noted there are things about each one that the user will stumble into which end up making no sense and likely result from poorly coded features which should have been upgrades but ended up being kludges. > rhymes with lumberge Scumbagger? As a former employee I can tell you that the best day of my life outside of my marriage and the births of my kids was the day I opened my mail to find an offer letter from another company - which I promptly accepted. Scumbagger bought a great processing software provider a few years ago. Their software was full-featured and very user-friendly. It had some quirks and a lot of kludges but their software support was top-notch the best I have seen in the industry. After the buyout, the older support hands were laid off and the support was bureaucratized to the point where it was no longer worth it to report a bug or request support. A true shame. Once a company gets that large they become like that old saying about juggies on the field crews - if they can't fuck it up they shit on it.
- mistrial9 8y agosecond the 'bright minds' contractors .. physics-trained coder at US top-5 university, contracted to do 3D modelling of sound-based exploratory data, with accurately modeled earth materials, in the software. So the strata of the earth materials for a real place, on the one side, and the behavior of the sensors on the other. This was in the 2007 era