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Apple doesn't automate it and it's difficult to make a case that it's better. They've certainly made errors and bad decisions. So... I'm not sure automation is

Apple doesn't automate it and it's difficult to make a case that it's better. They've certainly made errors and bad decisions. So... I'm not sure automation is to blame. What's more, you could make an argument that any process will have an observable error rate at scale. Would we be having a different conversation in a different universe where this same post exists, but Google didn't automate? I'm not so sure. > Creating these jobs in the USA could be done for about $10/hour, Uh, minimum wage is $15 in most places. $10/hr isn't even above the poverty line. It's less than $20k a year pre-tax. If you're appropriating the language of socialism, at least do it in a way that doesn't fall apart to someone with mental math skills.

rjf72 8y ago
- The United States is not California. Here [1] are the US poverty lines. For 1 person, it's $12,490. - $20,800 a year puts you ahead of 26% of earners in the US. [2] - The guy making your $5 latte gets on average about $9/hour [3]. - A private company engaging in behavior to create jobs and offer increased value to their customers is not the "language of socialism." [1] - https://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty-guidelines https://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty-guidelines [2] - https://dqydj.com/united-states-income-brackets-percentiles/ https://dqydj.com/united-states-income-brackets-percentiles/ [3] - https://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Starbucks-Hourly-Pay-E2202.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Starbucks-Hourly-Pay-E2...
- KirinDave 8y ago
  Firstly, you suggested: > Let's hire some low wage employees to spend just 1 hour per app which is generally enough time to determine if an app is at all legitimate. That's obviously 200,000 man hours. But folks have already been down this road, and the ugly fact is that you can't source folks to do work like this outside of metropolitan areas. This is why already this work is outsourced to areas where low wages are common but infrastructure is present. And you'll find, as several businesses I've worked with, that the difficulty of validating these jobs is very high. Turns out, you essentially get half the work you'd think you would. Secondly: > The United States is not California. Here [1] are the US poverty lines. For 1 person, it's $12,490. Sorry, I just assumed an average family of three with a single wage earner as the default, which is like $20.5k for most guidelines I've read. [0] > - A private company engaging in behavior to create jobs and offer increased value to their customers is not the "language of socialism." It absolutely is, and its historical success in America is exactly why capitalists have adopted it as a talking point even when it's not actually their goal in any scenario. [0]: I googled https://q1medicare.com/q1group/MedicareAdvantagePartD/Blog.php?blog=2018-Federal-Poverty-Level-Guidelines--FPL---2018-2019-LIS-Qualifications-and-Benefits&blog_id=674&category_id=8 https://q1medicare.com/q1group/MedicareAdvantagePartD/Blog.p... before I wrote my post.
jdminhbg 8y ago
> Uh, minimum wage is $15 in most places No, it definitely is not: https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/minimum-wage-by-state-and-2018-increases https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/minimum-wage-by-state...
- KirinDave 8y ago
  You're right. Not sure what I was thinking when I wrote that. But the rest stands, you're not going to be able to source that work. We already have seen how moderation ends up being done because it's essentially awful work prone to abuse. This is why Americans like to pretend it's done by algorithms while it's actually done by people in Filipino cybercafes. And it's not even remotely clear to me that that'll do better than Apple does with more trained staff.

rjf72 8y ago

- The United States is not California. Here [1] are the US poverty lines. For 1 person, it's $12,490. - $20,800 a year puts you ahead of 26% of earners in the US. [2] - The guy making your $5 latte gets on average about $9/hour [3]. - A private company engaging in behavior to create jobs and offer increased value to their customers is not the "language of socialism." [1] - https://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty-guidelines https://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty-guidelines [2] - https://dqydj.com/united-states-income-brackets-percentiles/ https://dqydj.com/united-states-income-brackets-percentiles/ [3] - https://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Starbucks-Hourly-Pay-E2202.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Starbucks-Hourly-Pay-E2...

KirinDave 8y ago
Firstly, you suggested: > Let's hire some low wage employees to spend just 1 hour per app which is generally enough time to determine if an app is at all legitimate. That's obviously 200,000 man hours. But folks have already been down this road, and the ugly fact is that you can't source folks to do work like this outside of metropolitan areas. This is why already this work is outsourced to areas where low wages are common but infrastructure is present. And you'll find, as several businesses I've worked with, that the difficulty of validating these jobs is very high. Turns out, you essentially get half the work you'd think you would. Secondly: > The United States is not California. Here [1] are the US poverty lines. For 1 person, it's $12,490. Sorry, I just assumed an average family of three with a single wage earner as the default, which is like $20.5k for most guidelines I've read. [0] > - A private company engaging in behavior to create jobs and offer increased value to their customers is not the "language of socialism." It absolutely is, and its historical success in America is exactly why capitalists have adopted it as a talking point even when it's not actually their goal in any scenario. [0]: I googled https://q1medicare.com/q1group/MedicareAdvantagePartD/Blog.php?blog=2018-Federal-Poverty-Level-Guidelines--FPL---2018-2019-LIS-Qualifications-and-Benefits&blog_id=674&category_id=8 https://q1medicare.com/q1group/MedicareAdvantagePartD/Blog.p... before I wrote my post.

jdminhbg 8y ago

> Uh, minimum wage is $15 in most places No, it definitely is not: https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/minimum-wage-by-state-and-2018-increases https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/minimum-wage-by-state...

KirinDave 8y ago
You're right. Not sure what I was thinking when I wrote that. But the rest stands, you're not going to be able to source that work. We already have seen how moderation ends up being done because it's essentially awful work prone to abuse. This is why Americans like to pretend it's done by algorithms while it's actually done by people in Filipino cybercafes. And it's not even remotely clear to me that that'll do better than Apple does with more trained staff.