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I had hopes that multi-rider trips would catch on more. So 2+ passengers would split the fare. My commute is toward the city center like most of the single occu

I had hopes that multi-rider trips would catch on more. So 2+ passengers would split the fare. My commute is toward the city center like most of the single occupant traffic. And I don’t need dropped off exactly at my place. Close is fine. (Last mile problem)

jacobolus 8y ago
> My commute is toward the city center like most of the single occupant traffic. This is the problem mass transit is ideally suited to solve. Hiring 1 professional driver per 2–3 commuters when there are thousands all going the same place is ridiculously inefficient. A bus can easily fit 10x more passengers.
- chess93 8y ago
  I've only ever been impressed with mass transit in megacities like NYC. SF public transit left a lot to be desired. The muni was not worth the hassle and I did not have a bart station near my rented room in a house.
  - pmoriarty 8y ago
    I used to avoid the Bay Area's buses like the plague for many years, but in the last couple of years I came to ride them a lot and have been pleasantly surprised. They're really convenient, with buses being able to take me to within a five to ten minute walk from most anywhere within the Bay Area that I want to go, and even closer within SF proper. They're a lot quieter than the BART (where I feel I need ear plugs to protect my hearing), it's as clean or cleaner, and there are now apps like Citymapper which tell you exactly which bus to take and when to get where you're going. My main gripe is that a couple of times buses just didn't show up at all when they were scheduled to arrive (not just late, but just skipped a bus). NYC's subway system is definitely way better than BART in terms of having way more stops and going virtually everywhere, but it also has its own problems (like the stops being deadly hot in the summer and freezing cold in the winter).
    - jacobolus 8y ago
      Note that BART has gotten a lot quieter recently. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/BART-rides-quieter-metal-why-so-loud-13419926.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/BART-rides-quiet...
  - jacobolus 8y ago
    Yeah, the USA has terrible mass transit, except in a few cities. Many other places around the world do much better. A few years ago I was in Honolulu, and wow is it crazy to have a gajillion cars on a tiny island (separated from any other possible destination by thousands of miles of ocean) all stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic every day.
  - Ericson2314 8y ago
    This is a failure of the US, not a fundamental requirement of scale.
- francisofascii 8y ago
  Agreed, but in anti-bus cities, start at 2, add some HOV, congestion pricing, slowly work up to 10. Before you know it, we have buses again, just not called buses. Just a thought.
jedberg 8y ago
Uber is trying to solve this with their new option. You walk a short distance to get picked up along with a couple of other people, and then you get dropped off in a common spot and take a short walk on the other end. It's basically trying to optimize common routes.

jacobolus 8y ago

> My commute is toward the city center like most of the single occupant traffic. This is the problem mass transit is ideally suited to solve. Hiring 1 professional driver per 2–3 commuters when there are thousands all going the same place is ridiculously inefficient. A bus can easily fit 10x more passengers.

chess93 8y ago
I've only ever been impressed with mass transit in megacities like NYC. SF public transit left a lot to be desired. The muni was not worth the hassle and I did not have a bart station near my rented room in a house.
- pmoriarty 8y ago
  I used to avoid the Bay Area's buses like the plague for many years, but in the last couple of years I came to ride them a lot and have been pleasantly surprised. They're really convenient, with buses being able to take me to within a five to ten minute walk from most anywhere within the Bay Area that I want to go, and even closer within SF proper. They're a lot quieter than the BART (where I feel I need ear plugs to protect my hearing), it's as clean or cleaner, and there are now apps like Citymapper which tell you exactly which bus to take and when to get where you're going. My main gripe is that a couple of times buses just didn't show up at all when they were scheduled to arrive (not just late, but just skipped a bus). NYC's subway system is definitely way better than BART in terms of having way more stops and going virtually everywhere, but it also has its own problems (like the stops being deadly hot in the summer and freezing cold in the winter).
  - jacobolus 8y ago
    Note that BART has gotten a lot quieter recently. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/BART-rides-quieter-metal-why-so-loud-13419926.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/BART-rides-quiet...
- jacobolus 8y ago
  Yeah, the USA has terrible mass transit, except in a few cities. Many other places around the world do much better. A few years ago I was in Honolulu, and wow is it crazy to have a gajillion cars on a tiny island (separated from any other possible destination by thousands of miles of ocean) all stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic every day.
- Ericson2314 8y ago
  This is a failure of the US, not a fundamental requirement of scale.
francisofascii 8y ago
Agreed, but in anti-bus cities, start at 2, add some HOV, congestion pricing, slowly work up to 10. Before you know it, we have buses again, just not called buses. Just a thought.

jedberg 8y ago

Uber is trying to solve this with their new option. You walk a short distance to get picked up along with a couple of other people, and then you get dropped off in a common spot and take a short walk on the other end. It's basically trying to optimize common routes.