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> Before Google and Apple, I didn't have this problem. I didn't have to pay their tax or march to their beat. You still don't! You don't have the play by thei
by hug 8y ago
> Before Google and Apple, I didn't have this problem. I didn't have to pay their tax or march to their beat.
You still don't! You don't have the play by their rules, and you can still target everyone who has a non-Google or non-Apple phone, which as a target market is appreciably no one, much as it was before Google and Apple entered the phone market.
You can target them if they have phones produced by your hated manufacturers anyway by making your app a webapp instead of a native app.
You don't want to do those things, and that's fine, but you're yearning to go back to a time that never existed.
- Spoom 8y agoFWIW you can target Google phones outside Google Play too. You just need to tell the user to enable some settings and download an APK.
- scarface74 8y agoWhat could possibly go wrong.... https://fox5sandiego.com/2019/01/17/fortnite-security-flaw-exposed-80-million-accounts/ https://fox5sandiego.com/2019/01/17/fortnite-security-flaw-e...
- echelon 8y ago> back to a time that never existed Personal PCs were just this back in the 90's and 00's. Microsoft tried to create a walled garden, but it failed due to the world wide web. Google and Apple saw how Microsoft failed and decided that the app store would be a first class citizen on day one and that the mobile web [1] would be an afterthought. They learned from Microsoft's mistake and used their positions to make app stores the new status quo. It could have easily gone a different way, but I understand how the business interests got us to where we are. [1] the mobile web wouldn't have been nice without more money and research poured into it. The web stack could have been supplemented or a new one could have been developed. These companies obviously had other priorities than to pay for something that netted them nothing, but individual developers wound out worse for it.
- kyralis 8y agoActually, you've got that history a little backward. The original iPhone had no App Store and had only web apps; that was the promoted way to develop for the platform. It was only after the phone's release and the mad clamor from developers to be allowed to develop native applications that an SDK was released and the App Store created.
- echelon 8y agoMy mistake. Thank you for correcting me.
- Nasrudith 8y agoI think you are accidentally retconning current status quo onto the past - early mobile internet was terrible, low bandwidth enough that mobile was about /fitting/ the page down the pipe instead of user interface, and also expensive with far lesser adoption such that wifi-only tablets/PDAs were more of a thing.
- ok_coo 8y agoGoogle still has complete control over how well your web app is ranked in search results and they change rules and criteria all of the time, sometimes with little notice. Google search console is infuriatingly vague. Google is inescapable and opaque and I’m glad politicians are finally seeing these entities as monopoly powers that need to be addressed. They have a monopoly market share in web search and mobile devices so how is anyone supposed to NOT play by their rules?
- Nasrudith 8y agoYou seriously overestimate their both their automated and manual control if you think they are capable of passive aggressive actions to non-entities. They closest they can come is hiding autosuggest when too many people complain or it becomes too sensitive like say "Ted Cruz Zodiac Killer".
- justtopost 8y agoThey have much much done more than soft-censor autocomplete.
- FranciscusG 8y agoGoogle search for: women are toxic Their SERPS will only return quotes on toxic MASCULINITY. Do the same thing in Yandex and they'll give you the correct results. Google uses AI to identify "non-PC sites" and push them down in the SERPS.