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I have a really split opinion about this. On the one hand I've seen a lot of really hateful stuff lobbed around on sites like Twitter, and I suspect that linkin

I have a really split opinion about this. On the one hand I've seen a lot of really hateful stuff lobbed around on sites like Twitter, and I suspect that linking accounts to phone numbers would dramatically reduce that. On the other hand, I'm not sure I want Twitter (et. al.) knowing my phone number.

pknopf 8y ago
I like it. I've grown suspicious with many accounts on Twitter. Maybe I can learn to trust more.
zipperhead 8y ago
I agree. I would rather pay them some fee. But they don't seem to want to monetize their service via user fees.
- komali2 8y ago
  Oh my god, paid Twitter would be amazing. Well, then again, something awful was a paid forum iirc, and it was still a den of villainy.
  - criddell 8y ago
    But on Something Awful, it was a feature, not a problem.
- jordanwallwork 8y ago
  Seems like it would make a lot of sense for them to offer both options; either would discourage bots, and you'd give people the choice whether to go the free route or the privacy-conscious route
  - deleted 8y ago
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  - hombre_fatal 8y ago
    Surely a phone number is no more identifying than a credit card payment in the age of KYC. And accepting a cryptocurrency would probably have little impact on all the lucrative scams that get spammed around Twitter.
zokier 8y ago
This is bit of hypothetical, but does some sort of pki-like scheme exist that would allow me to hold a certificate (of sorts) from an authority that I could use to prove myself to an service, but also simultaneously would not leak any information about me to that service? Similarly service a and service b should not be able to link accounts behind my back. Sounds like a interesting crypto problem
- dymk 8y ago
  There'd need to be some central authority (like you said) doing the certificate issuing that verifies that you are, indeed, a human, and that your a unique human that they haven't already given a certificate to. Chances are they'd want more than a phone number; probably a photo ID or something as well, else their value proposition isn't very strong. I'm not sure if that's better for privacy and safety than many services asking for just a phone number (which I can generate a semi-throwaway Google Voice number for).
freeflight 8y ago
I think that at this point FB has proven that people will be nasty regardless of how not-anonymous they are. As such I'm doubtful this will change anything about peoples behavior. It's also quite scary how nonchalant many people here are arguing for this to stop "propaganda" which these days seems to be as easily defined as "Anything that doesn't conform with a Western/US-centric narrative". Because I have yet to see one of these "propaganda ban waves" be reasoned with anything but "Russia/Iranian/Chinese propaganda" like that's the only kind of "propaganda" that exists [0]. As such I consider these "propaganda bans" just another exercise in propaganda [1]. [0] https://washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/pentagon-admits-spending-millions-study-manipulate-social-media-users.html https://washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/pentagon-admits-spending... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsehood_in_War-Time#Summary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsehood_in_War-Time#Summary

pknopf 8y ago

I like it. I've grown suspicious with many accounts on Twitter. Maybe I can learn to trust more.

zipperhead 8y ago

I agree. I would rather pay them some fee. But they don't seem to want to monetize their service via user fees.

komali2 8y ago
Oh my god, paid Twitter would be amazing. Well, then again, something awful was a paid forum iirc, and it was still a den of villainy.
- criddell 8y ago
  But on Something Awful, it was a feature, not a problem.
jordanwallwork 8y ago
Seems like it would make a lot of sense for them to offer both options; either would discourage bots, and you'd give people the choice whether to go the free route or the privacy-conscious route
- deleted 8y ago
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- hombre_fatal 8y ago
  Surely a phone number is no more identifying than a credit card payment in the age of KYC. And accepting a cryptocurrency would probably have little impact on all the lucrative scams that get spammed around Twitter.

zokier 8y ago

This is bit of hypothetical, but does some sort of pki-like scheme exist that would allow me to hold a certificate (of sorts) from an authority that I could use to prove myself to an service, but also simultaneously would not leak any information about me to that service? Similarly service a and service b should not be able to link accounts behind my back. Sounds like a interesting crypto problem

dymk 8y ago
There'd need to be some central authority (like you said) doing the certificate issuing that verifies that you are, indeed, a human, and that your a unique human that they haven't already given a certificate to. Chances are they'd want more than a phone number; probably a photo ID or something as well, else their value proposition isn't very strong. I'm not sure if that's better for privacy and safety than many services asking for just a phone number (which I can generate a semi-throwaway Google Voice number for).

freeflight 8y ago

I think that at this point FB has proven that people will be nasty regardless of how not-anonymous they are. As such I'm doubtful this will change anything about peoples behavior. It's also quite scary how nonchalant many people here are arguing for this to stop "propaganda" which these days seems to be as easily defined as "Anything that doesn't conform with a Western/US-centric narrative". Because I have yet to see one of these "propaganda ban waves" be reasoned with anything but "Russia/Iranian/Chinese propaganda" like that's the only kind of "propaganda" that exists [0]. As such I consider these "propaganda bans" just another exercise in propaganda [1]. [0] https://washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/pentagon-admits-spending-millions-study-manipulate-social-media-users.html https://washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/pentagon-admits-spending... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsehood_in_War-Time#Summary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsehood_in_War-Time#Summary