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the fact that the government was kicking him out of the military for being gay If that is a fact, is there a source? "An Army spokesman, Lt. Col. Eric Bloom,

by GHFigs 16y ago

the fact that the government was kicking him out of the military for being gay If that is a fact, is there a source? "An Army spokesman, Lt. Col. Eric Bloom, said Manning, who entered the Army as a private in October 2007, was demoted last month for an assault. He said he was not facing early discharge." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/09/AR2010060906170_2.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06...

flyt 16y ago
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/09/us/09manning.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/09/us/09manning.html?pagewant... > friends said his social life was defined by the need to conceal his sexuality under “don’t ask, don’t tell”
- mseebach 16y ago
  Correlation does not imply causation.
  - Jach 16y ago
    "What does, then?" Correlation surely gives you a place to look. I believe the correct quote is "Correlation is not by itself causation." Furthermore, this isn't even a counterargument, and beyond that this is a testable prediction: someone can ask the guy.
    - mseebach 16y ago
      Causation does. In terms of "giving us a place to look" it might as well swing in the opposite direction: He stands to spend quite a few years in jail. If his motive was getting back at the military for sacking him for his sexuality sounds a lot better (and gives him access to support from a wider range of people) than him just feeling that it's his prerogative to publish the confidential material that was entrusted to him.
- GHFigs 16y ago
  I'm not disputing that he is gay, I'm asking for a source for the supposed "fact" that he was being discharged for it.
  - Alex3917 16y ago
    Here is the source: http://boingboing.net/2010/06/20/was-alleged-wikileak.html http://boingboing.net/2010/06/20/was-alleged-wikileak.html We know that the military knew he was LGBT and he was waiting to be discharged, although the timeline and causation isn't entirely clear. That is, it's possible that he already leaked the documents first and then it was Lamo who outed him after the fact. My bad, I should have qualified my original comment further, though flyt's quote shows that it's a complex issue.

by GHFigs 16y ago

flyt 16y ago

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/09/us/09manning.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/09/us/09manning.html?pagewant... > friends said his social life was defined by the need to conceal his sexuality under “don’t ask, don’t tell”

mseebach 16y ago
Correlation does not imply causation.
- Jach 16y ago
  "What does, then?" Correlation surely gives you a place to look. I believe the correct quote is "Correlation is not by itself causation." Furthermore, this isn't even a counterargument, and beyond that this is a testable prediction: someone can ask the guy.
  - mseebach 16y ago
    Causation does. In terms of "giving us a place to look" it might as well swing in the opposite direction: He stands to spend quite a few years in jail. If his motive was getting back at the military for sacking him for his sexuality sounds a lot better (and gives him access to support from a wider range of people) than him just feeling that it's his prerogative to publish the confidential material that was entrusted to him.
GHFigs 16y ago
I'm not disputing that he is gay, I'm asking for a source for the supposed "fact" that he was being discharged for it.
- Alex3917 16y ago
  Here is the source: http://boingboing.net/2010/06/20/was-alleged-wikileak.html http://boingboing.net/2010/06/20/was-alleged-wikileak.html We know that the military knew he was LGBT and he was waiting to be discharged, although the timeline and causation isn't entirely clear. That is, it's possible that he already leaked the documents first and then it was Lamo who outed him after the fact. My bad, I should have qualified my original comment further, though flyt's quote shows that it's a complex issue.