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This is why my hackles are raised the instant somebody starts a "people should be exposed to various viewpoints discussion." I want to give the good faith inter

This is why my hackles are raised the instant somebody starts a "people should be exposed to various viewpoints discussion." I want to give the good faith interpretation, which would be, maybe, a healthy exposure to different economic system philosophies or something. But, nowadays, I find this argument, or people "just promoting the right to free speech," are really exactly the kind of people that casually toss around "sjw" as an accusation. Like, downvoted because HN is a hive of sjws? As if. Progressive, sure, but a hive of SJW as you undoubtedly mean by the word is a laughable accusation. Nowadays it seems when someone wants "multiple viewpoints" to be presented what they really want is the right to continue to bully people. This would have been an extremely presumptive thing to say but, crististm, you've gone and made this obvious for me by trotting out the old sjw accusation.

frogpelt 8y ago
Interesting that you consider it bullying if an individual abrasively states different viewpoints from the crowd. Is it bullying if the crowd uses similar tactics to silence the individual? Perhaps it depends on whether you agree with the crowd's opinion or not.
- komali2 8y ago
  I disagree that all instances of "silencing" are bullying. Take this journalist's recent flight experience: https://mobile.twitter.com/i/events/1110170398589480961 https://mobile.twitter.com/i/events/1110170398589480961 Some young woman was on her own on a flight and was getting creeped on by an older man. The journalist stepped in, flight attendants stepped in, the man was berated and eventually forced to move. Now those words - the man was berated and forced to move. If a group of schoolkids did that to some random nerdy kid on the playground, and we used those words to describe the situation, that's bullying. In the case of the flight, it obviously isn't. So, I don't think it's so much about whether I agree with the crowd's opinion, but a greater context. At an LGBT parade there's a fire and brimstone pastor shouting about how everyone's going to hell. The crowd is shouting back. Is that bullying? I don't really think so. I think it's the pastor that came to do the bullying.
crististm 8y ago
Just to be clear, I should have said swarm. This is not about the whole HN and I've been here for a long time to see how it adjusted its directions from the top. I should probably know better than to voice my opinion to a group of strangers, but no, I will not apologize for what I think. I voiced my opinion and that part of HN crowd that heard me considered that I should shut up. Such is life
- cazum 8y ago
  You're getting downvoted and told to "shut up" primarily because of your use of the word "sjw", because it's a dumb meaningless slur used to drag anybody with socially progressive values. It's not a criticism, it's just a petty insult. If you have a genuine problem with the social direction of HN, there's ways to raise those concerns without regurgitating offensive alt right memes
  - crististm 8y ago
    alt right????? So anything you or others don't agree with is alt right!!!?
zimpenfish 8y ago
> Progressive, sure There's many words I'd use to describe HN but "progressive" would be way, way down the list. > Nowadays it seems when someone wants "multiple viewpoints" to be presented what they really want is the right to continue to bully people. It's pretty much a dead cert. Along with "I'm just asking questions".

frogpelt 8y ago

Interesting that you consider it bullying if an individual abrasively states different viewpoints from the crowd. Is it bullying if the crowd uses similar tactics to silence the individual? Perhaps it depends on whether you agree with the crowd's opinion or not.

komali2 8y ago
I disagree that all instances of "silencing" are bullying. Take this journalist's recent flight experience: https://mobile.twitter.com/i/events/1110170398589480961 https://mobile.twitter.com/i/events/1110170398589480961 Some young woman was on her own on a flight and was getting creeped on by an older man. The journalist stepped in, flight attendants stepped in, the man was berated and eventually forced to move. Now those words - the man was berated and forced to move. If a group of schoolkids did that to some random nerdy kid on the playground, and we used those words to describe the situation, that's bullying. In the case of the flight, it obviously isn't. So, I don't think it's so much about whether I agree with the crowd's opinion, but a greater context. At an LGBT parade there's a fire and brimstone pastor shouting about how everyone's going to hell. The crowd is shouting back. Is that bullying? I don't really think so. I think it's the pastor that came to do the bullying.

crististm 8y ago

Just to be clear, I should have said swarm. This is not about the whole HN and I've been here for a long time to see how it adjusted its directions from the top. I should probably know better than to voice my opinion to a group of strangers, but no, I will not apologize for what I think. I voiced my opinion and that part of HN crowd that heard me considered that I should shut up. Such is life

cazum 8y ago
You're getting downvoted and told to "shut up" primarily because of your use of the word "sjw", because it's a dumb meaningless slur used to drag anybody with socially progressive values. It's not a criticism, it's just a petty insult. If you have a genuine problem with the social direction of HN, there's ways to raise those concerns without regurgitating offensive alt right memes
- crististm 8y ago
  alt right????? So anything you or others don't agree with is alt right!!!?

zimpenfish 8y ago

> Progressive, sure There's many words I'd use to describe HN but "progressive" would be way, way down the list. > Nowadays it seems when someone wants "multiple viewpoints" to be presented what they really want is the right to continue to bully people. It's pretty much a dead cert. Along with "I'm just asking questions".