> anybody who can do that is going to get frustrated by guard rails and just want to do ‘real’ programming eventually I think that's the property which is wort

> anybody who can do that is going to get frustrated by guard rails and just want to do ‘real’ programming eventually I think that's the property which is worth fighting for. If those people would not try programming at all otherwise, providing them with a dumbed down ramp leading to frustration and graduating may actually result in non-programmers turning into programmers in greater numbers.