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I, for one, would blame "some guy in Russia" if the alternative was 30 years in prison... ...then plead guilty to all counts.

sridca 8y ago
Yes, but do we know the facts of the situation?
- JumpCrisscross 8y ago
  > do we know the facts of the situation? We know he plead guilty and was in a position to return $50 million of stolen money. The top comment takes, on one hand, a mountain of criminal evidence, and weighs it against, on the other hand, things his wife said.
  - tunzy26 8y ago
    i think it's due to frustration. lol
- deleted 8y ago
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GBiT 8y ago
Well, I'm not saying he is not guilty, he is at some point, but this story is more than it says. It's possible he was only proxy. I see some comments say here, that with his talent he could do more, but he was only some none name construction businessman. But basically, in US I see, that a lot of people pleads guilty then it is more to the story. We don't know how much he will get for this and what deal he has. We see story, then person pleads to guilty and has to pay hundred million to later see, that they had other deal for him to pay just a few hundred thousands.
- tedivm 8y ago
  If he was a proxy how did he return $50 million?
  - GBiT 8y ago
    It's not clear how he returned. We don't know if the accounts of companies were frozen or where the money went, etc... Or did you believe he returned it in Cash? Or maybe transferred from bank accounts where no one knew? It's not how the financial system works. Here in LT we had some few series about this man and some possible things how it went. This case wasn't public, but every news site had about 15-20 stories about it in two years time.
    - tedivm 8y ago
      You're missing the point of my question- if he was just a proxy he wouldn't be in control of the assets, so they'd have to go after the person he was proxying for to get the funds. The fact that he was able to return them shows that he was more than a proxy.
      - coldtea 8y ago
        Or you know, he had $50M of his own that he "returned" (he was supposedly a businessman), while still being just a proxy to the other that actually stole the real stolen money.
        awa 8y ago
        I doubt he would have turned to fraud or become a proxy if he had $50M of his own.
        UncleEntity 8y ago
        Your theory is the US just snatched some multi-millionaire off the street and got them to confess to some crimes they didn't commit? Here in the US if you have that much money you can get away with crimes you did commit.
ada1981 8y ago
Kinda worked for the DNC.
coldtea 8y ago
Would you, for one, please guilty to all counts and get 10 years if you were innocent, if the alternative was to e.g. risk being found guilty and get a prosecutorial suggested 30 years?
- UncleEntity 8y ago
  Totally the wrong person to ask since I think it's appalling how prosecutors use that tactic to get innocent people in prison, if you don't take their deal they "throw the book at you" so your average (innocent) person has no chance unless they have a shitton of money to throw at their defense. Certainly wouldn't turn over $50 million if I were innocent.

sridca 8y ago

Yes, but do we know the facts of the situation?

JumpCrisscross 8y ago
> do we know the facts of the situation? We know he plead guilty and was in a position to return $50 million of stolen money. The top comment takes, on one hand, a mountain of criminal evidence, and weighs it against, on the other hand, things his wife said.
- tunzy26 8y ago
  i think it's due to frustration. lol
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GBiT 8y ago

Well, I'm not saying he is not guilty, he is at some point, but this story is more than it says. It's possible he was only proxy. I see some comments say here, that with his talent he could do more, but he was only some none name construction businessman. But basically, in US I see, that a lot of people pleads guilty then it is more to the story. We don't know how much he will get for this and what deal he has. We see story, then person pleads to guilty and has to pay hundred million to later see, that they had other deal for him to pay just a few hundred thousands.

tedivm 8y ago
If he was a proxy how did he return $50 million?
- GBiT 8y ago
  It's not clear how he returned. We don't know if the accounts of companies were frozen or where the money went, etc... Or did you believe he returned it in Cash? Or maybe transferred from bank accounts where no one knew? It's not how the financial system works. Here in LT we had some few series about this man and some possible things how it went. This case wasn't public, but every news site had about 15-20 stories about it in two years time.
  - tedivm 8y ago
    You're missing the point of my question- if he was just a proxy he wouldn't be in control of the assets, so they'd have to go after the person he was proxying for to get the funds. The fact that he was able to return them shows that he was more than a proxy.
    - coldtea 8y ago
      Or you know, he had $50M of his own that he "returned" (he was supposedly a businessman), while still being just a proxy to the other that actually stole the real stolen money.
      - awa 8y ago
        I doubt he would have turned to fraud or become a proxy if he had $50M of his own.
      - UncleEntity 8y ago
        Your theory is the US just snatched some multi-millionaire off the street and got them to confess to some crimes they didn't commit? Here in the US if you have that much money you can get away with crimes you did commit.

ada1981 8y ago

Kinda worked for the DNC.

coldtea 8y ago

Would you, for one, please guilty to all counts and get 10 years if you were innocent, if the alternative was to e.g. risk being found guilty and get a prosecutorial suggested 30 years?

UncleEntity 8y ago
Totally the wrong person to ask since I think it's appalling how prosecutors use that tactic to get innocent people in prison, if you don't take their deal they "throw the book at you" so your average (innocent) person has no chance unless they have a shitton of money to throw at their defense. Certainly wouldn't turn over $50 million if I were innocent.