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Interesting. I'm wondering how it stacks up against ConEmu [1], which has been the MVP of terminal emulators on Windows for a long time now. [1]: https://conem

Interesting. I'm wondering how it stacks up against ConEmu [1], which has been the MVP of terminal emulators on Windows for a long time now. [1]: https://conemu.github.io/ https://conemu.github.io/

tfigment 8y ago
Personally prefer ConsoleZ over conemu. Its more stable and does fewer strange things when i last evaluated it. Fluent i guess has better themes support and UWP might be some sort of advantage. https://github.com/cbucher/console https://github.com/cbucher/console
loeg 8y ago
Thanks for the pointer. I'll share a link to Cmder[1], which was what I was pointed at the other day. [1]: https://cmder.net/ https://cmder.net/ (So far, it beats the heck out of cmd.exe, especially for WSL...)
- _underfl0w_ 8y ago
  My only gripe is the delay after opening a new terminal. If it takes > 5s after launching to actually get a shell where I can type things, we have an efficiency problem. It's all the python behind the scenes. The dev chose simplicity over speed. And this terminal is "based on web technologies" so I doubt decent speed is really achievable. It's almost ironic that web developers are creating terminals.
  - tazard 8y ago
    Maybe you are thinking of hyper? Cmder is based on conEmu as far is I know
    - _underfl0w_ 8y ago
      You're correct that it is _based off_ ConEmu, but it has a bunch of additional sluggish Python code to load in a fancy lamba symbol for the prompt and some aliases that try to be unix commands.
      - Jare 8y ago
        I believe the slowdown is due to the clink prompt running external programs in order to find git status etc. I run clink without ConEmu (cmdr is a pack of both with some config) and recently redid the prompt to make it less functional but MUCH faster. I basically changed the config.lua file to use clink.get_cwd() instead of pwd(), and to local HEADfile = io.open(git_dir.."/HEAD") if not HEADfile then return false end local git_branch = HEADfile:read():match('ref: refs/heads/(.*)') HEADfile:close() return colors.git_dirty .. " (" .. git_branch .. ")" to find the current git branch if any. Less functional and more potential for errors (detached heads or such) but for my case it's very worth it.
nailer 8y ago
I wouldn't call ConEmu the MVP (if you mean most valuable rather than minimum viable) - there's a number of unfixable bugs due to the insistence on Windows XP support. Breakdown of Windows Terminals # Top Quality (supports line editing, history, scrollback, copy on select, right click paste, tabs, iterm colors, everything else you'd expect from iTerm2 or gnome-terminal) - Fluent Terminal (native, lightweight) - Terminus (electron, so heavier, but also excellent and stable) - Hyper 3 Canary (electron, in beta as Hyper 2 has serious bugs, but a massive plugin ecosystem) # Minimal (no tabs but fast and stable) - Powershell 6.2's inbuilt terminal - Alacritty # Windows XP apps (UI has everything everywhere, some unfixable bugs) - ConsoleZ - ConEmu # Not actually a terminal - Cmder More details, config files: https://github.com/mikemaccana/powershell-profile#for-a-decent-tabbed-terminal https://github.com/mikemaccana/powershell-profile#for-a-dece...
- xrisk 8y ago
  Why is Cmder not actually a terminal?
  - nailer 8y ago
    Because Cmder is actually: - Console emulator ~ Conemu - Cmd.exe enhancements ~ clink - Unix tools on windows ~ git for windows The Cmder website tells you this if you scroll down, but doesn't make it obvious. 'clink' in particular is of dubious utility - if you're using Windows, powershell is the default terminal, and powershell is one of Windows' best features.
    - Jare 8y ago
      Clink adds ctrl-D to cmd.exe, that alone puts it among the first 5 installs in a new system.
      - nneonneo 8y ago
        Ctrl+Z works mostly the same way, so besides the muscle memory of Ctrl+D I'm curious what else Clink's Ctrl+D adds?
samanator 8y ago
I used to use ConEmu but it was too buggy for my liking, especially when using docker > nano/vim. Text was displayed in the wrong place all the time. I started using fluent when this was posted (3 days ago) and I quite like the experience so far! I haven't had to switch back to regular CMD for anything so far!

Interesting. I'm wondering how it stacks up against ConEmu [1], which has been the MVP of terminal emulators on Windows for a long time now. [1]: https://conemu.github.io/ https://conemu.github.io/

tfigment 8y ago

Personally prefer ConsoleZ over conemu. Its more stable and does fewer strange things when i last evaluated it. Fluent i guess has better themes support and UWP might be some sort of advantage. https://github.com/cbucher/console https://github.com/cbucher/console

loeg 8y ago

Thanks for the pointer. I'll share a link to Cmder[1], which was what I was pointed at the other day. [1]: https://cmder.net/ https://cmder.net/ (So far, it beats the heck out of cmd.exe, especially for WSL...)

_underfl0w_ 8y ago
My only gripe is the delay after opening a new terminal. If it takes > 5s after launching to actually get a shell where I can type things, we have an efficiency problem. It's all the python behind the scenes. The dev chose simplicity over speed. And this terminal is "based on web technologies" so I doubt decent speed is really achievable. It's almost ironic that web developers are creating terminals.
- tazard 8y ago
  Maybe you are thinking of hyper? Cmder is based on conEmu as far is I know
  - _underfl0w_ 8y ago
    You're correct that it is _based off_ ConEmu, but it has a bunch of additional sluggish Python code to load in a fancy lamba symbol for the prompt and some aliases that try to be unix commands.
    - Jare 8y ago
      I believe the slowdown is due to the clink prompt running external programs in order to find git status etc. I run clink without ConEmu (cmdr is a pack of both with some config) and recently redid the prompt to make it less functional but MUCH faster. I basically changed the config.lua file to use clink.get_cwd() instead of pwd(), and to local HEADfile = io.open(git_dir.."/HEAD") if not HEADfile then return false end local git_branch = HEADfile:read():match('ref: refs/heads/(.*)') HEADfile:close() return colors.git_dirty .. " (" .. git_branch .. ")" to find the current git branch if any. Less functional and more potential for errors (detached heads or such) but for my case it's very worth it.

nailer 8y ago

I wouldn't call ConEmu the MVP (if you mean most valuable rather than minimum viable) - there's a number of unfixable bugs due to the insistence on Windows XP support. Breakdown of Windows Terminals # Top Quality (supports line editing, history, scrollback, copy on select, right click paste, tabs, iterm colors, everything else you'd expect from iTerm2 or gnome-terminal) - Fluent Terminal (native, lightweight) - Terminus (electron, so heavier, but also excellent and stable) - Hyper 3 Canary (electron, in beta as Hyper 2 has serious bugs, but a massive plugin ecosystem) # Minimal (no tabs but fast and stable) - Powershell 6.2's inbuilt terminal - Alacritty # Windows XP apps (UI has everything everywhere, some unfixable bugs) - ConsoleZ - ConEmu # Not actually a terminal - Cmder More details, config files: https://github.com/mikemaccana/powershell-profile#for-a-decent-tabbed-terminal https://github.com/mikemaccana/powershell-profile#for-a-dece...

xrisk 8y ago
Why is Cmder not actually a terminal?
- nailer 8y ago
  Because Cmder is actually: - Console emulator ~ Conemu - Cmd.exe enhancements ~ clink - Unix tools on windows ~ git for windows The Cmder website tells you this if you scroll down, but doesn't make it obvious. 'clink' in particular is of dubious utility - if you're using Windows, powershell is the default terminal, and powershell is one of Windows' best features.
  - Jare 8y ago
    Clink adds ctrl-D to cmd.exe, that alone puts it among the first 5 installs in a new system.
    - nneonneo 8y ago
      Ctrl+Z works mostly the same way, so besides the muscle memory of Ctrl+D I'm curious what else Clink's Ctrl+D adds?

samanator 8y ago

I used to use ConEmu but it was too buggy for my liking, especially when using docker > nano/vim. Text was displayed in the wrong place all the time. I started using fluent when this was posted (3 days ago) and I quite like the experience so far! I haven't had to switch back to regular CMD for anything so far!