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Except this is hate speech. Or are you saying it isn’t

DuskStar 8y ago
I dislike it, so it's hate speech, of course! But I tend to believe that I should not have the power to determine what can or cannot be said, and that no one else should have that power either.
- Throwway32 8y ago
  If you were to say, make a pro-ISIS video, or Tweet, would you expect to remain unmolested by the authorities in the United States? All societies set boundaries on what is acceptable speech.
  - DuskStar 8y ago
    I would expect making a pro-ISIS video/tweet to leave me without additional molestation from the government, yes. Probably wouldn't stay up on YouTube, but other sites don't seem to have a problem with such things. (stereotypically, that would be LiveLeak) You can check out the list of exceptions to free speech in the US here [0]. I disagree with a number of them, but an "ISIS is awesome and this is why" video would fall under none of them. (the same goes for a "Hitler was awesome" video, a "Trump is awesome" video, or a "Trump is a fascist and we need to rise up in violent rebellion" video) 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce...
    - Throwway32 8y ago
      I would expect making a pro-ISIS video/tweet to leave me without additional molestation from the government, yes If you made pro-ISIS materials, you can expect the US government to closely monitor you, and quite likely attempt to entrap you.[1] If you made large numbers of pro-ISIS videos, even if you were a US citizen, there would be a strong possibility that you would be killed [2] [1] https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/07/fbi_arrest_of_cleveland_terror.html https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/07/fbi_arrest_of_clevel... [2]https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/30/magazine/the-lessons-of-anwar-al-awlaki.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/30/magazine/the-lessons-of-a...

I dislike it, so it's hate speech, of course! But I tend to believe that I should not have the power to determine what can or cannot be said, and that no one else should have that power either.

Throwway32 8y ago
If you were to say, make a pro-ISIS video, or Tweet, would you expect to remain unmolested by the authorities in the United States? All societies set boundaries on what is acceptable speech.
- DuskStar 8y ago
  I would expect making a pro-ISIS video/tweet to leave me without additional molestation from the government, yes. Probably wouldn't stay up on YouTube, but other sites don't seem to have a problem with such things. (stereotypically, that would be LiveLeak) You can check out the list of exceptions to free speech in the US here [0]. I disagree with a number of them, but an "ISIS is awesome and this is why" video would fall under none of them. (the same goes for a "Hitler was awesome" video, a "Trump is awesome" video, or a "Trump is a fascist and we need to rise up in violent rebellion" video) 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce...
  - Throwway32 8y ago
    I would expect making a pro-ISIS video/tweet to leave me without additional molestation from the government, yes If you made pro-ISIS materials, you can expect the US government to closely monitor you, and quite likely attempt to entrap you.[1] If you made large numbers of pro-ISIS videos, even if you were a US citizen, there would be a strong possibility that you would be killed [2] [1] https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/07/fbi_arrest_of_cleveland_terror.html https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/07/fbi_arrest_of_clevel... [2]https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/30/magazine/the-lessons-of-anwar-al-awlaki.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/30/magazine/the-lessons-of-a...