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Hate speech is free speech that you happen to not like.

by DuskStar 8y ago

ElCapitanMarkla 8y ago
Except this is hate speech. Or are you saying it isn’t
- DuskStar 8y ago
  I dislike it, so it's hate speech, of course! But I tend to believe that I should not have the power to determine what can or cannot be said, and that no one else should have that power either.
  - Throwway32 8y ago
    If you were to say, make a pro-ISIS video, or Tweet, would you expect to remain unmolested by the authorities in the United States? All societies set boundaries on what is acceptable speech.
    - DuskStar 8y ago
      I would expect making a pro-ISIS video/tweet to leave me without additional molestation from the government, yes. Probably wouldn't stay up on YouTube, but other sites don't seem to have a problem with such things. (stereotypically, that would be LiveLeak) You can check out the list of exceptions to free speech in the US here [0]. I disagree with a number of them, but an "ISIS is awesome and this is why" video would fall under none of them. (the same goes for a "Hitler was awesome" video, a "Trump is awesome" video, or a "Trump is a fascist and we need to rise up in violent rebellion" video) 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce...
      - Throwway32 8y ago
        I would expect making a pro-ISIS video/tweet to leave me without additional molestation from the government, yes If you made pro-ISIS materials, you can expect the US government to closely monitor you, and quite likely attempt to entrap you.[1] If you made large numbers of pro-ISIS videos, even if you were a US citizen, there would be a strong possibility that you would be killed [2] [1] https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/07/fbi_arrest_of_cleveland_terror.html https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/07/fbi_arrest_of_clevel... [2]https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/30/magazine/the-lessons-of-anwar-al-awlaki.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/30/magazine/the-lessons-of-a...
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Taniwha 8y ago
This is not hate speech, this is a snuff film
- DuskStar 8y ago
  That's fair. Of course, I haven't heard many "censor the internet" calls in regards to 3guys1hammer, though that may just be because of the age. (3guys1hammer was the first that came to mind, though the quantity of ISIS and Cartel execution videos is also rather high)

Hate speech is free speech that you happen to not like.

ElCapitanMarkla 8y ago

Except this is hate speech. Or are you saying it isn’t

DuskStar 8y ago
I dislike it, so it's hate speech, of course! But I tend to believe that I should not have the power to determine what can or cannot be said, and that no one else should have that power either.
- Throwway32 8y ago
  If you were to say, make a pro-ISIS video, or Tweet, would you expect to remain unmolested by the authorities in the United States? All societies set boundaries on what is acceptable speech.
  - DuskStar 8y ago
    I would expect making a pro-ISIS video/tweet to leave me without additional molestation from the government, yes. Probably wouldn't stay up on YouTube, but other sites don't seem to have a problem with such things. (stereotypically, that would be LiveLeak) You can check out the list of exceptions to free speech in the US here [0]. I disagree with a number of them, but an "ISIS is awesome and this is why" video would fall under none of them. (the same goes for a "Hitler was awesome" video, a "Trump is awesome" video, or a "Trump is a fascist and we need to rise up in violent rebellion" video) 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce...
    - Throwway32 8y ago
      I would expect making a pro-ISIS video/tweet to leave me without additional molestation from the government, yes If you made pro-ISIS materials, you can expect the US government to closely monitor you, and quite likely attempt to entrap you.[1] If you made large numbers of pro-ISIS videos, even if you were a US citizen, there would be a strong possibility that you would be killed [2] [1] https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/07/fbi_arrest_of_cleveland_terror.html https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/07/fbi_arrest_of_clevel... [2]https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/30/magazine/the-lessons-of-anwar-al-awlaki.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/30/magazine/the-lessons-of-a...

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Taniwha 8y ago

This is not hate speech, this is a snuff film

DuskStar 8y ago
That's fair. Of course, I haven't heard many "censor the internet" calls in regards to 3guys1hammer, though that may just be because of the age. (3guys1hammer was the first that came to mind, though the quantity of ISIS and Cartel execution videos is also rather high)