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Serious question: does anyone know how are homosexual monkeys treated by their peers? Basically, I was wondering if there is a proof of them being discriminated

Serious question: does anyone know how are homosexual monkeys treated by their peers? Basically, I was wondering if there is a proof of them being discriminated/treated badly by their peers.

badgerigar 8y ago
There are no homosexual monkeys. While nearly all mammalian species have homosexual sex, homosexual individuals have only been observed in sheep and humans.
- fastball 8y ago
  What exactly is the distinction being made here?
wyxuan 8y ago
discrimination is a purely human thing. animals see sex and reproduction as a leisure activity, and as a result, don't nearly give it as much though as much as humans do. Plus they don't have the bible, which can be interpreted as not allowing for homosexual relations.
- refurb 8y ago
  Really? If you took an animal and shaved it, you don’t think it would be ostracized even though nothing is wrong with it and it has no impact on its peers? I’d bet it would. I’m sure animals do it based on behavior as well. If a peer is acting sick (even if not), I’m sure their behavior changes.
  - mkl 8y ago
    Actually, no: https://designbump.com/when-these-chimpanzees-saw-their-strange-looking-brother-how-they-treated-him-is-eye-opening/4/ https://designbump.com/when-these-chimpanzees-saw-their-stra... or https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-36924808 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-36924808 Sorry about the blogspam link. I have seen more reputable articles about chimpanzees with alopecia, but my search skills are failing me now. The gist always seems to be that hairless chimpanzees (there have been several in zoos) aren't treated differently by others.
everdev 8y ago
Unfortunately, I've seen documentaries and been to zoos where the zoo keepers have told us that homosexual moneys are subjected to violence. I think the brunt of it is against male monkeys making sexual advances towards an unwilling male partner.
EGreg 8y ago
I don’t know who badgerigar is, but his comment was flagged and killed, even though it is scientifially correct. Although animals have been observed to have same-sex coupling, they mix it up with males and females. In the animal kingdom the only species that have been observed to have exclusively homosexual sex are humans and domesticated sheep. One would think that a sexual organism never having heterosexual sex would be a huge evolutionary fitness disadvantage, and such a trait would be extremely uncommon. There are some caveats, for example: Sharks are able to reproduce asexually, and frogs can “switch” genders AFTER reproduction, during adverse conditions. But lifelong homosexuality has not been observed in species other than humans and domesticated sheep, which suggests that relaxed evolutionary pressures may be a necessary component. From Wikipedia Simon LeVay introduced caveat that "[a]lthough homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity."[8] One species in which exclusive homosexual orientation occurs, however, is that of domesticated sheep (Ovis aries).[9][10] "About 10% of rams (males), refuse to mate with ewes (females) but do readily mate with other rams."[10]
- contras1970 8y ago
  > One would think that a sexual organism never having heterosexual sex would be a huge evolutionary fitness disadvantage Genes do not "care" for individual organisms. If they did we would be immortal. Jared Diamond argued that the presence of homosexual uncles/aunts is the same kind of an advantage as the presence of no-longer-breeding grandparents. > such a trait would be extremely uncommon. Homosexuality is pretty rare, isn't it?
  - EGreg 8y ago
    Well I heard that theory but seems there are no homosexual aunts and uncles in any species except the two mentioned. The theories about alpha and beta wolves turned out to be wrong btw. The wolves that were observed in captivity were simply closely related families. https://amp.businessinsider.com/no-such-thing-alpha-male-2016-10 https://amp.businessinsider.com/no-such-thing-alpha-male-201...

Serious question: does anyone know how are homosexual monkeys treated by their peers? Basically, I was wondering if there is a proof of them being discriminated/treated badly by their peers.

badgerigar 8y ago

There are no homosexual monkeys. While nearly all mammalian species have homosexual sex, homosexual individuals have only been observed in sheep and humans.

fastball 8y ago
What exactly is the distinction being made here?

wyxuan 8y ago

discrimination is a purely human thing. animals see sex and reproduction as a leisure activity, and as a result, don't nearly give it as much though as much as humans do. Plus they don't have the bible, which can be interpreted as not allowing for homosexual relations.

refurb 8y ago
Really? If you took an animal and shaved it, you don’t think it would be ostracized even though nothing is wrong with it and it has no impact on its peers? I’d bet it would. I’m sure animals do it based on behavior as well. If a peer is acting sick (even if not), I’m sure their behavior changes.
- mkl 8y ago
  Actually, no: https://designbump.com/when-these-chimpanzees-saw-their-strange-looking-brother-how-they-treated-him-is-eye-opening/4/ https://designbump.com/when-these-chimpanzees-saw-their-stra... or https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-36924808 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-36924808 Sorry about the blogspam link. I have seen more reputable articles about chimpanzees with alopecia, but my search skills are failing me now. The gist always seems to be that hairless chimpanzees (there have been several in zoos) aren't treated differently by others.

everdev 8y ago

Unfortunately, I've seen documentaries and been to zoos where the zoo keepers have told us that homosexual moneys are subjected to violence. I think the brunt of it is against male monkeys making sexual advances towards an unwilling male partner.

EGreg 8y ago

I don’t know who badgerigar is, but his comment was flagged and killed, even though it is scientifially correct. Although animals have been observed to have same-sex coupling, they mix it up with males and females. In the animal kingdom the only species that have been observed to have exclusively homosexual sex are humans and domesticated sheep. One would think that a sexual organism never having heterosexual sex would be a huge evolutionary fitness disadvantage, and such a trait would be extremely uncommon. There are some caveats, for example: Sharks are able to reproduce asexually, and frogs can “switch” genders AFTER reproduction, during adverse conditions. But lifelong homosexuality has not been observed in species other than humans and domesticated sheep, which suggests that relaxed evolutionary pressures may be a necessary component. From Wikipedia Simon LeVay introduced caveat that "[a]lthough homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity."[8] One species in which exclusive homosexual orientation occurs, however, is that of domesticated sheep (Ovis aries).[9][10] "About 10% of rams (males), refuse to mate with ewes (females) but do readily mate with other rams."[10]

contras1970 8y ago
> One would think that a sexual organism never having heterosexual sex would be a huge evolutionary fitness disadvantage Genes do not "care" for individual organisms. If they did we would be immortal. Jared Diamond argued that the presence of homosexual uncles/aunts is the same kind of an advantage as the presence of no-longer-breeding grandparents. > such a trait would be extremely uncommon. Homosexuality is pretty rare, isn't it?
- EGreg 8y ago
  Well I heard that theory but seems there are no homosexual aunts and uncles in any species except the two mentioned. The theories about alpha and beta wolves turned out to be wrong btw. The wolves that were observed in captivity were simply closely related families. https://amp.businessinsider.com/no-such-thing-alpha-male-2016-10 https://amp.businessinsider.com/no-such-thing-alpha-male-201...