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There is free speech, and then there is sensible. In NZ we don't use the perpetrators name and we don't want you looking at his messages. Get over it!

PostOnce 8y ago
Well, we could just turn the entire internet off, then the messages would surely be hidden. Archive.is has a lot more than one page.
- MBO35711 8y ago
  Well that would be silly.
  - PostOnce 8y ago
    the point is, you have to draw a line somewhere, and if the line is "nobody can see anything this guy wrote" then the collateral damage is going to be perhaps just too much. When I said Archive.is has more than one page, I meant we're blocking millions of non-offending pages for the sake of blocking one that offends. So, how far will we go? Block Archive.is? Block Facebook? The whole internet?
    - apostacy 8y ago
      This level of heavy handedness was unprecedented in the west, and is more characteristic of China than anything else.
- tootahe45 8y ago
  You joke, but I'm convinced our police and government know even less about technology than in Australia where they tried to ban encryption.
gruez 8y ago
>we don't want you looking at his messages. Get over it! Do you realize how authoritarian you sound?
- MBO35711 8y ago
  Yes. I know!. It's been a bad week.
  - deogeo 8y ago
    There will always be a bad week, a tragedy, a heinous crime, an 'attack on your way of life' - that is when you must fight for your freedoms the hardest, because that is when they will be taken if you don't.
deogeo 8y ago
From the article: "Let’s be clear, each and every one of the blocked websites operates lawfully – that includes removing illegal material when requested." So being 'sensible' means conceding censorship to corporations, without involving the legal system?
huntie 8y ago
His name was Brenton Tarrant.
- MBO35711 8y ago
  He has no name! Not now.
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]
white-flame 8y ago
The hole in information caused by the censorship is causing people to come up with and perpetuate all sorts of crazy accusations and conspiracies about what "really" happened or why. The truth and fact of the what (video) and why (manifesto) is important clarification to the situation. Censorship is causing mystery, unrest, and false blame.
- NickNameNick 8y ago
  There is no mystery whatsoever. The video is footage of someone murdering people, and the manifesto is a mess right wing islamophobia and strange call-outs. Both are offensive both at a basic human level, and under the legal definition here in NZ. There's no information hole - the contents of the video and the manifesto have been very widely reported. What do you really expect to learn that you can't already learn from the reporting?
  - int_19h 8y ago
    > and the manifesto is a mess right wing islamophobia Except it's not - it's a mess of a "third position" white ethnonationalism. And I know it because I could read it.

PostOnce 8y ago

Well, we could just turn the entire internet off, then the messages would surely be hidden. Archive.is has a lot more than one page.

MBO35711 8y ago
Well that would be silly.
- PostOnce 8y ago
  the point is, you have to draw a line somewhere, and if the line is "nobody can see anything this guy wrote" then the collateral damage is going to be perhaps just too much. When I said Archive.is has more than one page, I meant we're blocking millions of non-offending pages for the sake of blocking one that offends. So, how far will we go? Block Archive.is? Block Facebook? The whole internet?
  - apostacy 8y ago
    This level of heavy handedness was unprecedented in the west, and is more characteristic of China than anything else.
tootahe45 8y ago
You joke, but I'm convinced our police and government know even less about technology than in Australia where they tried to ban encryption.

gruez 8y ago

>we don't want you looking at his messages. Get over it! Do you realize how authoritarian you sound?

MBO35711 8y ago
Yes. I know!. It's been a bad week.
- deogeo 8y ago
  There will always be a bad week, a tragedy, a heinous crime, an 'attack on your way of life' - that is when you must fight for your freedoms the hardest, because that is when they will be taken if you don't.

deogeo 8y ago

From the article: "Let’s be clear, each and every one of the blocked websites operates lawfully – that includes removing illegal material when requested." So being 'sensible' means conceding censorship to corporations, without involving the legal system?

huntie 8y ago

His name was Brenton Tarrant.

MBO35711 8y ago
He has no name! Not now.
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]

white-flame 8y ago

The hole in information caused by the censorship is causing people to come up with and perpetuate all sorts of crazy accusations and conspiracies about what "really" happened or why. The truth and fact of the what (video) and why (manifesto) is important clarification to the situation. Censorship is causing mystery, unrest, and false blame.

NickNameNick 8y ago
There is no mystery whatsoever. The video is footage of someone murdering people, and the manifesto is a mess right wing islamophobia and strange call-outs. Both are offensive both at a basic human level, and under the legal definition here in NZ. There's no information hole - the contents of the video and the manifesto have been very widely reported. What do you really expect to learn that you can't already learn from the reporting?
- int_19h 8y ago
  > and the manifesto is a mess right wing islamophobia Except it's not - it's a mess of a "third position" white ethnonationalism. And I know it because I could read it.