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Does it have to do anything with nature? For example, having sex is completely natural, but doing so in public is frowned upon. On the other hand, walking on ar

Does it have to do anything with nature? For example, having sex is completely natural, but doing so in public is frowned upon. On the other hand, walking on arms upside down is completely unnatural, but perfectly acceptable in the middle of town center.

qwerty456127 8y ago
It doesn't. Many people just dislike other people having sex (and this probably is natural). They can't say anything against people doing it in accordance with the standard but as soon as something doesn't fit in the puritan template they find an excuse.
- johannes1234321 8y ago
  Disliking other people having Sex? — You should tell the porn industry so they adapt their business model. Maybe people don't like to be watched, but I think there is a string driver to also reproduce and for men to put one's semen, ideally replacing the other man's.
  - qball 8y ago
    >You should tell the porn industry so they adapt their business model. Where have you been the last 50+ years? Porn has been and continues to be under constant attack by society. In the United States, even the First Amendment hasn't been as solid a defense as its wording would make it seem for pornographic works, and some states still have laws on the books banning "obscene devices" (though admittedly sex toys aren't speech) People don't like others having sex, don't like knowing about it (unless they themselves are horny and want to see it, but heaven forbid anyone else be allowed the same privilege, which is the main reason you see so many anti-gay male politicians being caught in compromising positions with other men), and want to control everything about it. There are two evolutionary reasons for this. The first is pregnancy; and the difference between societies that have evolved without access to effective natural birth control and ones that have is as stark as you'd expect it to be. The second is scarcity, which is related to the first thing (i.e. people weigh sex against major negative consequences if having sex can have major consequences), but can be slightly abated by a massive distribution network of pictures and videos of sex (while not the same thing, unlike physical hunger sexual appetite can be satisfied by the equivalent of simply looking at a picture of a tasty meal for a few minutes). Modern society has only had 50 years with technology that does those two things reliably. Society at large just hasn't had enough time with these factors in play to loosen up, but the cracks are beginning to show.
    - Razengan 8y ago
      An other reason might be that almost all animals seek to control their peers' access to mates. Humans have developed elaborate bullshit to achieve basically that. Monogamy, possession, shame.
      - qwerty456127 8y ago
        I don't say monogamy is a natural rule everybody should follow but it also is not unnatural "bullshit" invented by humans. As far as I know many wild species are monogamous. Many bird species in particular. I don't mind anybody being polyamory (and even some sort of adore them for breaking a taboo) yet many people are happy in monogamy and they are not necessarily constraining themselves artificially. Also shame can hardly be considered "invented" - whenever you feel that blushing you don't invent it, it's a physical body reaction although particular reason behind usually is "invented".
        ndnxhs 8y ago
        Shame and peer pressure are also good things often. They help us collaborate and prevent us from acting selfishly. We shame those who do things like litter or steal which prevents this behaviour. If you steal from your friends you will be excluded from their social circle which is enough reason to not do it.
        Razengan 8y ago
        I wouldn't say often. Shame and peer pressure are usually used against someone that a larger group already dislikes. "Acting selfishly" is also a common victim-blame. Not sharing your lunch money with povert bullies, or loving someone you love instead of whomever other people want you to love.
        Razengan 8y ago
        I was speaking of repressive cultures, especially those with far less choices available to women.
- nintendo95 8y ago
  People like sex. They don't accept public obscenity usually due to common sense objective realities, i.e. children being present. So there is this. And there is some more: as a dominant bdsm heterosexual person for some reason I don't feel an urge to present my sexual preference to the whole world all the time and demanding the public to accept it. Or even having it recognized as part of my "identity". Sex is sex, happens in bed with my wife and is between us. Why in the world I would have a need to demand my friends, family, co-workers to have them accept the reality that I like to see blood on my wife's butt before I slide between them --- this is silly. Isn't that this piece where homosexuals are just so oblivious that they simply don't recognize that the whole world doesn't neccessarily care about them putting the thing in another guys anus? Why do we need to have parades about that? Why do we need special laws for the condition? Am I going to get treated differently during employment process next time because I'm into bdsm? I mean that are idiots who say yes, bdsm is just another sexual preference. So I would be sexual minority. And would be need it so much more at places like Google or Apple to fullfil some idiotic quota. Good job America you guys are beyond hilarious! Anthropologist in the future will have bunch of a good time looking at you! And please don't downvote that would be pure nazism. I mean where are we going with this?
  - AlexTWithBeard 8y ago
    So I would be sexual minority Come on, we all know there are right minorities and there are wrong minorities. But jokes aside, one possible explanation is that despite of all your sexual life, for the outside observer you still look like a "vanilla" couple (sorry, I assumed your gender here). You can show up at your kids school together, you can go to the Christmas party with your colleagues and none will say a word. I think for gay couples it may be different: from weird looks to outright refusal. And as for downvotes... Don't let me even start...
  - qwerty456127 8y ago
    > People like sex. They don't accept public obscenity usually due to common sense objective realities, i.e. children being present. I accept this element of culture unconditionally and don't feel any interest in violating it so I am not going to expose children (mine or other) to sexual scenes ever. However, although there may happen to be some (so why risk), I really fail to see reason behind it. Why is it considered bad for children to see people having sex? Especially when it's about non-violent "classic" sex between "normal" people loving each other and treating each other tenderly and not any kind of hardcore BDSM porn. I understand some particular kinds of sexual practices can seem weird and even shock some people yet what makes "vanilla" sex obscene and potentially harmful for a person (a kid or whoever) psyche is beyond my comprehension. > I don't feel an urge to present my sexual preference to the whole world all the time and demanding the public to accept it. Or even having it recognized as part of my "identity". Sex is sex, happens in bed with my wife and is between us. I support this point, yet... ... I was going to copy-paste-quote the next part but the message got flagged. The next was the question why seek others to be aware of your sexual preferences and accept them. I believe the answer is so they won't get "shocked" once they find out accidentally and nobody will be able to blackmail you. The the current state of culture makes it matter. Once everybody accepts everything is normal exposing your sexual preferences proactively will become irrelevant.
Razengan 8y ago
> For example, having sex is completely natural Entire societies and cultures have been built around the idea that sex is unnatural and requires special rituals and public approval to be had, and even then you're not supposed to actually enjoy it.

qwerty456127 8y ago

It doesn't. Many people just dislike other people having sex (and this probably is natural). They can't say anything against people doing it in accordance with the standard but as soon as something doesn't fit in the puritan template they find an excuse.

johannes1234321 8y ago
Disliking other people having Sex? — You should tell the porn industry so they adapt their business model. Maybe people don't like to be watched, but I think there is a string driver to also reproduce and for men to put one's semen, ideally replacing the other man's.
- qball 8y ago
  >You should tell the porn industry so they adapt their business model. Where have you been the last 50+ years? Porn has been and continues to be under constant attack by society. In the United States, even the First Amendment hasn't been as solid a defense as its wording would make it seem for pornographic works, and some states still have laws on the books banning "obscene devices" (though admittedly sex toys aren't speech) People don't like others having sex, don't like knowing about it (unless they themselves are horny and want to see it, but heaven forbid anyone else be allowed the same privilege, which is the main reason you see so many anti-gay male politicians being caught in compromising positions with other men), and want to control everything about it. There are two evolutionary reasons for this. The first is pregnancy; and the difference between societies that have evolved without access to effective natural birth control and ones that have is as stark as you'd expect it to be. The second is scarcity, which is related to the first thing (i.e. people weigh sex against major negative consequences if having sex can have major consequences), but can be slightly abated by a massive distribution network of pictures and videos of sex (while not the same thing, unlike physical hunger sexual appetite can be satisfied by the equivalent of simply looking at a picture of a tasty meal for a few minutes). Modern society has only had 50 years with technology that does those two things reliably. Society at large just hasn't had enough time with these factors in play to loosen up, but the cracks are beginning to show.
  - Razengan 8y ago
    An other reason might be that almost all animals seek to control their peers' access to mates. Humans have developed elaborate bullshit to achieve basically that. Monogamy, possession, shame.
    - qwerty456127 8y ago
      I don't say monogamy is a natural rule everybody should follow but it also is not unnatural "bullshit" invented by humans. As far as I know many wild species are monogamous. Many bird species in particular. I don't mind anybody being polyamory (and even some sort of adore them for breaking a taboo) yet many people are happy in monogamy and they are not necessarily constraining themselves artificially. Also shame can hardly be considered "invented" - whenever you feel that blushing you don't invent it, it's a physical body reaction although particular reason behind usually is "invented".
      - ndnxhs 8y ago
        Shame and peer pressure are also good things often. They help us collaborate and prevent us from acting selfishly. We shame those who do things like litter or steal which prevents this behaviour. If you steal from your friends you will be excluded from their social circle which is enough reason to not do it.
        Razengan 8y ago
        I wouldn't say often. Shame and peer pressure are usually used against someone that a larger group already dislikes. "Acting selfishly" is also a common victim-blame. Not sharing your lunch money with povert bullies, or loving someone you love instead of whomever other people want you to love.
      - Razengan 8y ago
        I was speaking of repressive cultures, especially those with far less choices available to women.
nintendo95 8y ago
People like sex. They don't accept public obscenity usually due to common sense objective realities, i.e. children being present. So there is this. And there is some more: as a dominant bdsm heterosexual person for some reason I don't feel an urge to present my sexual preference to the whole world all the time and demanding the public to accept it. Or even having it recognized as part of my "identity". Sex is sex, happens in bed with my wife and is between us. Why in the world I would have a need to demand my friends, family, co-workers to have them accept the reality that I like to see blood on my wife's butt before I slide between them --- this is silly. Isn't that this piece where homosexuals are just so oblivious that they simply don't recognize that the whole world doesn't neccessarily care about them putting the thing in another guys anus? Why do we need to have parades about that? Why do we need special laws for the condition? Am I going to get treated differently during employment process next time because I'm into bdsm? I mean that are idiots who say yes, bdsm is just another sexual preference. So I would be sexual minority. And would be need it so much more at places like Google or Apple to fullfil some idiotic quota. Good job America you guys are beyond hilarious! Anthropologist in the future will have bunch of a good time looking at you! And please don't downvote that would be pure nazism. I mean where are we going with this?
- AlexTWithBeard 8y ago
  So I would be sexual minority Come on, we all know there are right minorities and there are wrong minorities. But jokes aside, one possible explanation is that despite of all your sexual life, for the outside observer you still look like a "vanilla" couple (sorry, I assumed your gender here). You can show up at your kids school together, you can go to the Christmas party with your colleagues and none will say a word. I think for gay couples it may be different: from weird looks to outright refusal. And as for downvotes... Don't let me even start...
- qwerty456127 8y ago
  > People like sex. They don't accept public obscenity usually due to common sense objective realities, i.e. children being present. I accept this element of culture unconditionally and don't feel any interest in violating it so I am not going to expose children (mine or other) to sexual scenes ever. However, although there may happen to be some (so why risk), I really fail to see reason behind it. Why is it considered bad for children to see people having sex? Especially when it's about non-violent "classic" sex between "normal" people loving each other and treating each other tenderly and not any kind of hardcore BDSM porn. I understand some particular kinds of sexual practices can seem weird and even shock some people yet what makes "vanilla" sex obscene and potentially harmful for a person (a kid or whoever) psyche is beyond my comprehension. > I don't feel an urge to present my sexual preference to the whole world all the time and demanding the public to accept it. Or even having it recognized as part of my "identity". Sex is sex, happens in bed with my wife and is between us. I support this point, yet... ... I was going to copy-paste-quote the next part but the message got flagged. The next was the question why seek others to be aware of your sexual preferences and accept them. I believe the answer is so they won't get "shocked" once they find out accidentally and nobody will be able to blackmail you. The the current state of culture makes it matter. Once everybody accepts everything is normal exposing your sexual preferences proactively will become irrelevant.

Razengan 8y ago

> For example, having sex is completely natural Entire societies and cultures have been built around the idea that sex is unnatural and requires special rituals and public approval to be had, and even then you're not supposed to actually enjoy it.