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None of the people were convicted on charges related to Russian collusion. Many people convicted/plead guilty to process crimes, for example, lying to the FBI.

None of the people were convicted on charges related to Russian collusion. Many people convicted/plead guilty to process crimes, for example, lying to the FBI. I won't accuse of you of trying to mislead people, but the judge apologized for making the treason claim against Flynn: https://lawandcrime.com/awkward/judge-quickly-backtracks-apologizes-after-floating-crazy-idea-michael-flynn-committed-treason/ https://lawandcrime.com/awkward/judge-quickly-backtracks-apo...

abrahamepton 8y ago
Yeah, he walked back the "treason" comment that I didn't mention, and said nothing to retract the "sold your country out" comment, because the two are in fact distinct claims. "Collusion" isn't an actual crime, so of course nobody was convicted for it. But convicting people for illegal activity proximate to the collusion is exactly what happened. Al Capone was convicted for tax fraud, not being a gangster, because that was what they could prove in court.
int_19h 8y ago
That's because treason is an incredibly high bar to meet. Nevertheless, we now know that Flynn was acting as a propaganda agent of Turkey - by his own testimony, used to convict his co-conspirators - without registering as such. Do you consider this a "process crime"?
- overwhelm 8y ago
  Of course not, but it's not what he was charged with and it has nothing to do with the Russiagate narrative. Presumably that's why he wasn't charged with that.
dragonwriter 8y ago
> Many people convicted/plead guilty to process crimes, for example, lying to the FBI. Yes, but that was lying in denying collusion in both the case of Pappadopolous (as a Trump campaign official and with support of higher ups, with Russia) and Stone (as a go-between for the Trump campaign, with WikiLeaks—described by the Trump campaign as a “hostile non-state intelligence service”—where WikiLeaks was, based on information in other indictments, either cooperating with or duped by a Russian intelligence operation.)

abrahamepton 8y ago

Yeah, he walked back the "treason" comment that I didn't mention, and said nothing to retract the "sold your country out" comment, because the two are in fact distinct claims. "Collusion" isn't an actual crime, so of course nobody was convicted for it. But convicting people for illegal activity proximate to the collusion is exactly what happened. Al Capone was convicted for tax fraud, not being a gangster, because that was what they could prove in court.

int_19h 8y ago

That's because treason is an incredibly high bar to meet. Nevertheless, we now know that Flynn was acting as a propaganda agent of Turkey - by his own testimony, used to convict his co-conspirators - without registering as such. Do you consider this a "process crime"?

overwhelm 8y ago
Of course not, but it's not what he was charged with and it has nothing to do with the Russiagate narrative. Presumably that's why he wasn't charged with that.

dragonwriter 8y ago

> Many people convicted/plead guilty to process crimes, for example, lying to the FBI. Yes, but that was lying in denying collusion in both the case of Pappadopolous (as a Trump campaign official and with support of higher ups, with Russia) and Stone (as a go-between for the Trump campaign, with WikiLeaks—described by the Trump campaign as a “hostile non-state intelligence service”—where WikiLeaks was, based on information in other indictments, either cooperating with or duped by a Russian intelligence operation.)