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Yes, thats why the chinese, colonized by the japanese are still heavily supressed - oh, victim narrative break down... My family has shizophrenia as curse, and

Yes, thats why the chinese, colonized by the japanese are still heavily supressed - oh, victim narrative break down... My family has shizophrenia as curse, and a part of them is all high on this narrative. Its always some conspiracy, some evil external force, and due to them running with this view through the world- and the world reacting, it becomes a self fullfilling prophecy. There is never that one point, where somebody says "Now im really free, and responsible for all what happens". Get help. Real help. Not this eternal victim narrative which allows for barricading in ones missery. Not that it holds up to daylight anyway, now that the former victims, become the new colonial masters.

lisper 8y ago
Japan still occupies China? That's news to me. Black people have never been the masters of their own fate in the U.S. Slavery was replaced by Jim Crow, which lasted 100 years. Jim Crow (which is to say, legally sanctioned racial discrimination) was only eliminated 50 years ago, and it has since been replaced by a more subtle program of gerrymandering [1], racially discriminatory drug laws [2], racially discriminatory law enforcement [3] and other daily indignities to which people of color are selectively subjected [4]. This is not to say that individuals cannot rise above this. They can, and they do. But that doesn't change the fact that the legacy of slavery and other forms of racial bigotry is very much still with us, with your tone-deaf diatribe being yet another supporting data point. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/09/how-a-widespread-practice-to-politically-empower-african-americans-might-actually-harm-them/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/09/how-a... [2] https://www.aclu.org/other/race-war-drugs https://www.aclu.org/other/race-war-drugs [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/03/22/police-handcuffed-black-man-who-was-moving-into-his-own-home-now-he-wants-them-fired/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/03/22/police-hand... [4] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/us/julia-isabel-amparo-medina.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/us/julia-isabel-amparo-me...
- LifeLiverTransp 8y ago
  Could the very same not be claimed about nearly all other non white ethnic groups? Still - they prevail, some even doing better then the "evil" supressors- and are in turn discriminated against by affirmative action. Add to that a already frail ladder when it comes to upwards mobility, which also discards a lot of "white trash", which dont fit into this tale of victims and evil doers either and you end up with something that just doesent sound convincing. Why should - beside the usual aristocratic supression of chance - single out the black ehtnicity for discrimination, when racism and jingoism & culture enthusiasm existed for every other ethnic group arriving in the US ? Also was there not the option to leave free- and on there own accord? So staying was a choice made. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberia https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberia
  - lisper 8y ago
    > Could the very same not be claimed about nearly all other non white ethnic groups? No. To be sure, people of (all) color have been systematically discriminated against in the U.S., but none other than Africans have been subjected to centuries of legal enslavement. All other ethnic groups came voluntarily, and could leave if they wanted to. Blacks couldn't. That makes a big difference. Also, no other ethnic group has ever been the target of legalized discrimination on the scale of Jim Crow. The treatment of blacks has been uniquely horrific in the U.S.
    - astrodust 8y ago
      Has been and continues to be. Perhaps the only thing over-shadowing that is the treatment of indigenous people in the New World.
  - astrodust 8y ago
    Look, you're free to move to Liberia if you don't like it, too. If you want a taste of what a post-apocalyptic world looks like, start packing.
- shivo 8y ago
  In the modern era, what is the legitimate reason for gerrymandering? Seems so outrageous that it still exists.
astrodust 8y ago
China is not a colony. It no longer has any masters to serve. Even then it took decades for it to shake off all of the geopolitical interference from would-be overlords including Japan and various European powers. Meanwhile minorities in the US are systematically denied any opportunity to escape their situation. Everything is rigged against them. It's hard to pull yourself up with your own bootstraps when there's a boot crushing down on your neck and a hand in both pockets to steal whatever you might scrape together.

lisper 8y ago

Japan still occupies China? That's news to me. Black people have never been the masters of their own fate in the U.S. Slavery was replaced by Jim Crow, which lasted 100 years. Jim Crow (which is to say, legally sanctioned racial discrimination) was only eliminated 50 years ago, and it has since been replaced by a more subtle program of gerrymandering [1], racially discriminatory drug laws [2], racially discriminatory law enforcement [3] and other daily indignities to which people of color are selectively subjected [4]. This is not to say that individuals cannot rise above this. They can, and they do. But that doesn't change the fact that the legacy of slavery and other forms of racial bigotry is very much still with us, with your tone-deaf diatribe being yet another supporting data point. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/09/how-a-widespread-practice-to-politically-empower-african-americans-might-actually-harm-them/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/09/how-a... [2] https://www.aclu.org/other/race-war-drugs https://www.aclu.org/other/race-war-drugs [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/03/22/police-handcuffed-black-man-who-was-moving-into-his-own-home-now-he-wants-them-fired/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/03/22/police-hand... [4] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/us/julia-isabel-amparo-medina.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/us/julia-isabel-amparo-me...

LifeLiverTransp 8y ago
Could the very same not be claimed about nearly all other non white ethnic groups? Still - they prevail, some even doing better then the "evil" supressors- and are in turn discriminated against by affirmative action. Add to that a already frail ladder when it comes to upwards mobility, which also discards a lot of "white trash", which dont fit into this tale of victims and evil doers either and you end up with something that just doesent sound convincing. Why should - beside the usual aristocratic supression of chance - single out the black ehtnicity for discrimination, when racism and jingoism & culture enthusiasm existed for every other ethnic group arriving in the US ? Also was there not the option to leave free- and on there own accord? So staying was a choice made. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberia https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberia
- lisper 8y ago
  > Could the very same not be claimed about nearly all other non white ethnic groups? No. To be sure, people of (all) color have been systematically discriminated against in the U.S., but none other than Africans have been subjected to centuries of legal enslavement. All other ethnic groups came voluntarily, and could leave if they wanted to. Blacks couldn't. That makes a big difference. Also, no other ethnic group has ever been the target of legalized discrimination on the scale of Jim Crow. The treatment of blacks has been uniquely horrific in the U.S.
  - astrodust 8y ago
    Has been and continues to be. Perhaps the only thing over-shadowing that is the treatment of indigenous people in the New World.
- astrodust 8y ago
  Look, you're free to move to Liberia if you don't like it, too. If you want a taste of what a post-apocalyptic world looks like, start packing.
shivo 8y ago
In the modern era, what is the legitimate reason for gerrymandering? Seems so outrageous that it still exists.

astrodust 8y ago

China is not a colony. It no longer has any masters to serve. Even then it took decades for it to shake off all of the geopolitical interference from would-be overlords including Japan and various European powers. Meanwhile minorities in the US are systematically denied any opportunity to escape their situation. Everything is rigged against them. It's hard to pull yourself up with your own bootstraps when there's a boot crushing down on your neck and a hand in both pockets to steal whatever you might scrape together.