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I find it hilariously unmasking that in every single China discussion there is at least one person with the usual "evil west did it too once" whataboutism.
by Krasnol 8y ago
I find it hilariously unmasking that in every single China discussion there is at least one person with the usual "evil west did it too once" whataboutism.
- usaphp 8y agoAnd another couple who accuse them of "whataboutism" without providing any valuable response.
- krapp 8y agoThe only valuable response to whataboutism is to mock it and those who employ it. One doesn't need to put effort into responding to trolls or calling them out.
- seppin 8y ago"Your honor, it's absurd to charge my client with murder. People get murdered all the time."
- Krasnol 8y agoI'd argue that the fact that there is a trend to whataboutise in China threads has more value than the actual whataboutism. It may not be a lot but it doesn't need much to be more then a whataboutism. Where is the value in your comment?
- usaphp 8y ago> Where is the value in your comment? To urge people not to engage into this pointless debate, you won't change their opinion by calling it whataboutism and will only enforce it since neither you nor him provided any valuable points in the discussion.
- Krasnol 8y agoAgain: where is the value in your comment?
- chrischen 8y agoEvil West didn’t just do it once. It’s built on it and benefits from the fruit of global dominance to this day.
- Krasnol 8y agoSo how is this in any way relevant to the article? How does it make anything of that any better or worse? What reaction do you expect from this? What are we supposed to take away from such comments? I honestly don't get it. It's neither news, nor does it add anything to the context. The only thing it does for me is to point away from the topic at hand starting a completely new one. What's the point of that? PS. it's not "once" like in "one time" but "once" like in "once upon a time". But somehow I'm sure you knew that already.
- chrischen 8y agoEvil west is not evil. And neither is China.
- Krasnol 8y agoSo why did you use it and not answer any of my questions?
- chrischen 8y agoThey still do it, even more so than once upon a time. Iraq, Pakistan, overthrowing regimes vis CIA while partnering with Drug cartels, forcing out Iran’s regime, forcing other countries to cut off Iran after forcing out Iran’s regime, using Israel to project military power in the Middle East, cutting off aid if countries legalize certain drugs. These are all soft power projections that have similar effects to the “modern colonizing” of China. There’s no hard evidence that the lending and infrastructure projects are bad. But somehow it seems that unless China donates a free pair of shoes for every pair of shoe sold to destroy the local shoe economy, it must be bad? Donations are bad, but true business deals are what’s required, and they may not appear purely altruistic because they aren’t.
- dang 8y agoPointing out hypocrisy is perfectly legitimate in a debate. I don't know how the word "whataboutism" causes people to miss that obvious point, but it has long become a reflexive cliché.
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