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Let me state first that Article 13 is a very dangerous idea that will have bad consequences. That said, we're making our Attribution engine (the shazam for all

by doh 8y ago

Let me state first that Article 13 is a very dangerous idea that will have bad consequences. That said, we're making our Attribution engine (the shazam for all audio-visual content) free to all platforms and rights holders [0]. It's surely not a great situation, but we don't want to stay still and let the small platforms to crumble under the weight of the giants. [0] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CLybxCFg_gz4n62UqVr3XEsyYJbEv6hGI64-ptGgQB0/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CLybxCFg_gz4n62UqVr3XEsy...

AnthonyMouse 8y ago
Is this actually helpful? It seems like there are really two options here. One is that you can have your own database of copyrighted works, let anyone submit one, and the law considers that sufficient. But then everyone has their own database that starts with nothing in it, none of them really ever have more than 1% of the total copyrighted works in them nor ever really catch anything, and uploading everything to everyone's database is completely intractable so nobody bothers. The other is that having an incomplete database is insufficient, but having a complete database is still intractable because anyone else can at any time create a new copyrighted work that isn't in it. And then troll you with it because they know it isn't in any database but can have someone upload it to your site just so they can use the law to destroy you. No database will ever contain more than 1% of the total copyrighted works, because they're created by the millions every minute of every day. So does pooling together like that actually buy you something? It doesn't seem to change the "are you screwed" calculus much one way or the other.
- doh 8y ago
  The way we read the article 13 is that platforms have to offer tools to identify copyrighted work, but also the rights holders have to register the work for them to be identified. That would imply that one database with an obvious way for rights holders to register their content should be the right way to go. But we will not know up until an EU country actually writes the law.
  - AnthonyMouse 8y ago
    > That would imply that one database with an obvious way for rights holders to register their content should be the right way to go. Having a single database seems unusually problematic. If there is only one operator, who is that supposed to be? What happens if/when they give up or go out of business? What happens when they charge monopoly rents or their system is unreliable or full of bugs? On the other hand, if there is one submission process that submits works to everybody's database and people have their own copies, that seems like it would be of particular interest to pirates -- go sign up as a database recipient and the copyright holders will send you copies of all their works. It's as if no one has even attempted to think through how this would work.

by doh 8y ago

AnthonyMouse 8y ago

Is this actually helpful? It seems like there are really two options here. One is that you can have your own database of copyrighted works, let anyone submit one, and the law considers that sufficient. But then everyone has their own database that starts with nothing in it, none of them really ever have more than 1% of the total copyrighted works in them nor ever really catch anything, and uploading everything to everyone's database is completely intractable so nobody bothers. The other is that having an incomplete database is insufficient, but having a complete database is still intractable because anyone else can at any time create a new copyrighted work that isn't in it. And then troll you with it because they know it isn't in any database but can have someone upload it to your site just so they can use the law to destroy you. No database will ever contain more than 1% of the total copyrighted works, because they're created by the millions every minute of every day. So does pooling together like that actually buy you something? It doesn't seem to change the "are you screwed" calculus much one way or the other.

doh 8y ago
The way we read the article 13 is that platforms have to offer tools to identify copyrighted work, but also the rights holders have to register the work for them to be identified. That would imply that one database with an obvious way for rights holders to register their content should be the right way to go. But we will not know up until an EU country actually writes the law.
- AnthonyMouse 8y ago
  > That would imply that one database with an obvious way for rights holders to register their content should be the right way to go. Having a single database seems unusually problematic. If there is only one operator, who is that supposed to be? What happens if/when they give up or go out of business? What happens when they charge monopoly rents or their system is unreliable or full of bugs? On the other hand, if there is one submission process that submits works to everybody's database and people have their own copies, that seems like it would be of particular interest to pirates -- go sign up as a database recipient and the copyright holders will send you copies of all their works. It's as if no one has even attempted to think through how this would work.