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> As a parent, it is also difficult to explain to my son, why my daughter would qualify for such a generous grant, but he would not... What explanation is there

> As a parent, it is also difficult to explain to my son, why my daughter would qualify for such a generous grant, but he would not... What explanation is there ? There are explanations, but whether they are valid or not is a matter of debate. Here is one possible explanation: Women have faced all kinds of discrimination which has, for the most part, kept them out of the industry. Even if we're not actively discriminating against women now, bias still remains in this male-dominated industry. Therefore, it's necessary to do something in order to bring women back in, and we all have to do our part - in some cases this could mean men making way for women. This is the basic principle of affirmative action policies - it's about doing what we can to correct our historic mistakes. For it to work we must all play our part, and sometimes we must make small sacrifices for the greater good

philonoist 8y ago
That is not enough of a reason. Don't punish me for mistakes done by somebody in the past. Punish me for my mistakes alone. "Even if we're not actively discriminating against women now, bias still remains in this male-dominated industry." This rhetoric is just to confuse people. Any non-active discrimination removes the burden on those who are not facing the bias. Period. Getting equality by stepping over other's heads and pushing them down? Sorry, that is not equality. That is oppression. These non-active biases are something women have every right and power to overcome by themselves. They should not be served in platter. They should burden themselves to do so. "Therefore, it's necessary to do something in order to bring women back in, and we all have to do our part - in some cases this could mean men making way for women." Its funny how we write "we all have to do our part" only to not see women sacrifice anything in the end. The word "all" is clever way to escape this sexism against men. Also the word "small" downplays the sacrifices of men in the due process and assumes patronizing attitude in deciding the pains behind such sacrifices don't matter for men. If in order to support your livelihood, I have to kill my hunger, my opportunities, my chances, my support to family then you are part of the problem, not me. "...it's about doing what we can to correct our historic mistakes." Past is past. History remains and can never be corrected. It is the present that we should correct and see to it that there is no further active discrimination. I do think women should stop blaming others and put their efforts to the point of testing their limits instead of insulting men but I am slandered with 'victim blaming'. Ha! These people cannot make the whole world believe their perpetual victimization just so they can steal free affirmative action. Either prove your mettle and talent to get your money or get out. Studies have shown that women move away from STEM, both in studies and career as countries are more gender egalitarian. Countries with less egalitarian societies have more women in STEM[0]. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/countries-with-less-gender-equity-have-more-women-in-stem-huh/ https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/countries-with-l...
- dang-pg-dang 8y ago
  That is not enough of a reason. Don't punish me for mistakes done by somebody in the past. Punish me for my mistakes alone. Ok. We're going to systematically remove all of the advantages you've had over others due to systematic discrimination. Your error was in not recognizing that you were trampling your fellow humans; but the good news is, when you feel discriminated against now, you'll know that it's a correction. Nothing against you, specifically.
  - dang 8y ago
    Trolling HN like this will eventually get your main account banned as well.

philonoist 8y ago

That is not enough of a reason. Don't punish me for mistakes done by somebody in the past. Punish me for my mistakes alone. "Even if we're not actively discriminating against women now, bias still remains in this male-dominated industry." This rhetoric is just to confuse people. Any non-active discrimination removes the burden on those who are not facing the bias. Period. Getting equality by stepping over other's heads and pushing them down? Sorry, that is not equality. That is oppression. These non-active biases are something women have every right and power to overcome by themselves. They should not be served in platter. They should burden themselves to do so. "Therefore, it's necessary to do something in order to bring women back in, and we all have to do our part - in some cases this could mean men making way for women." Its funny how we write "we all have to do our part" only to not see women sacrifice anything in the end. The word "all" is clever way to escape this sexism against men. Also the word "small" downplays the sacrifices of men in the due process and assumes patronizing attitude in deciding the pains behind such sacrifices don't matter for men. If in order to support your livelihood, I have to kill my hunger, my opportunities, my chances, my support to family then you are part of the problem, not me. "...it's about doing what we can to correct our historic mistakes." Past is past. History remains and can never be corrected. It is the present that we should correct and see to it that there is no further active discrimination. I do think women should stop blaming others and put their efforts to the point of testing their limits instead of insulting men but I am slandered with 'victim blaming'. Ha! These people cannot make the whole world believe their perpetual victimization just so they can steal free affirmative action. Either prove your mettle and talent to get your money or get out. Studies have shown that women move away from STEM, both in studies and career as countries are more gender egalitarian. Countries with less egalitarian societies have more women in STEM[0]. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/countries-with-less-gender-equity-have-more-women-in-stem-huh/ https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/countries-with-l...

dang-pg-dang 8y ago
That is not enough of a reason. Don't punish me for mistakes done by somebody in the past. Punish me for my mistakes alone. Ok. We're going to systematically remove all of the advantages you've had over others due to systematic discrimination. Your error was in not recognizing that you were trampling your fellow humans; but the good news is, when you feel discriminated against now, you'll know that it's a correction. Nothing against you, specifically.
- dang 8y ago
  Trolling HN like this will eventually get your main account banned as well.