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> Oracle will only give interviews to people with a degree from their small list of Ivy-tier universities. I cannot imagine that a company with a healthy cultu

> Oracle will only give interviews to people with a degree from their small list of Ivy-tier universities. I cannot imagine that a company with a healthy culture could allow such a boneheaded policy to persist.

nate_meurer 8y ago
I agree, not healthy. You know what's more fucked up? Not long after I joined, just after the Sun acquisition, I learned that my previous company was dissolving, and I handed a dozen resumes to my then-director (different director from the one in my other comment; this was a guy who's no longer with Oracle). I don't take referrals lightly, because my reputation is at stake too. In this case, most of my former colleagues were H1-B from India, all of them highly experienced, expert software engineers, dedicated workers, established long-term residents, and personally delightful. These are people I can recommend for any job and I know they'll make me proud. My boss refused to even look at these men's resumes. It was never said out loud, but I was made to believe that there was an informal policy at Sun/Oracle at that time, that non-citizens would not be considered for employment, and my boss justified it by saying, "there are enough Americans who need jobs". Of the three white guys I referred, two were hired. How's that for unhealthy? Edit: Going through my old emails, it actually looks like I went 3 for 6 on the white guys. Nevertheless... [edit: needlessly inflammatory comment removed].
- raincom 8y ago
  I thought Oracle likes H1-B folks. Even Dept of Labor filed a lawsuit against Oracle alleging that Oracle underpays H1B employees.
  - nate_meurer 8y ago
    Could be, I don't know. My view of the machine was very small.
- tuesdayrain 8y ago
  > Of the three white guys I referred, two were hired. How's that for unhealthy? I feel like you're trying to turn this into a race or gender issue when that isn't necessarily relevant. Like your boss said, maybe he really does just prefer to hire Americans and the race/gender is irrelevant to him.
  - nate_meurer 8y ago
    Yeah, no. One of the guys I referred had a green card, been here for years, started a family here. He has an Indian name, but he's as American as I am. Didn't matter. Boss wouldn't consider him. Edit: What you said is a reasonable proposition. Nationalism and racism can be distinct from one another. But in this case, given the treatment of my green-card bearing friend and the tone of the brief discussions I had with the boss, it seemed clear to me that some amount of outright racism was at work.
    - thucydidesofusa 8y ago
      If someone is so nationalist that they make hiring decisions based on the needs of America, it's easy to imagine that they have a preference for citizens or better yet to the nationalist, natural born citizens.

nate_meurer 8y ago

I agree, not healthy. You know what's more fucked up? Not long after I joined, just after the Sun acquisition, I learned that my previous company was dissolving, and I handed a dozen resumes to my then-director (different director from the one in my other comment; this was a guy who's no longer with Oracle). I don't take referrals lightly, because my reputation is at stake too. In this case, most of my former colleagues were H1-B from India, all of them highly experienced, expert software engineers, dedicated workers, established long-term residents, and personally delightful. These are people I can recommend for any job and I know they'll make me proud. My boss refused to even look at these men's resumes. It was never said out loud, but I was made to believe that there was an informal policy at Sun/Oracle at that time, that non-citizens would not be considered for employment, and my boss justified it by saying, "there are enough Americans who need jobs". Of the three white guys I referred, two were hired. How's that for unhealthy? Edit: Going through my old emails, it actually looks like I went 3 for 6 on the white guys. Nevertheless... [edit: needlessly inflammatory comment removed].

raincom 8y ago
I thought Oracle likes H1-B folks. Even Dept of Labor filed a lawsuit against Oracle alleging that Oracle underpays H1B employees.
- nate_meurer 8y ago
  Could be, I don't know. My view of the machine was very small.
tuesdayrain 8y ago
> Of the three white guys I referred, two were hired. How's that for unhealthy? I feel like you're trying to turn this into a race or gender issue when that isn't necessarily relevant. Like your boss said, maybe he really does just prefer to hire Americans and the race/gender is irrelevant to him.
- nate_meurer 8y ago
  Yeah, no. One of the guys I referred had a green card, been here for years, started a family here. He has an Indian name, but he's as American as I am. Didn't matter. Boss wouldn't consider him. Edit: What you said is a reasonable proposition. Nationalism and racism can be distinct from one another. But in this case, given the treatment of my green-card bearing friend and the tone of the brief discussions I had with the boss, it seemed clear to me that some amount of outright racism was at work.
  - thucydidesofusa 8y ago
    If someone is so nationalist that they make hiring decisions based on the needs of America, it's easy to imagine that they have a preference for citizens or better yet to the nationalist, natural born citizens.