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Why do you think Oracle has a chance at cloud? Honest question. Their competition at the low end is Google, which doesn’t bode great on quality, and with AWS a

Why do you think Oracle has a chance at cloud? Honest question. Their competition at the low end is Google, which doesn’t bode great on quality, and with AWS and Azure they’re fighting on quality and against strong enterprise groups. Not sure who would predict that would go well, but it’s a big market and I suppose they have to try. I’ve seen Oracle cloud jobs and admittedly balked, no bone to pick with them but don’t see a bright future.

bluedino 8y ago
What are they calling “cloud”? Netsuite does own the largest cloud-based ERP
- gamblor956 8y ago
  Netsuite is owned by Oracle but is a separate business unit from Oracle Cloud.
Twirrim 8y ago
> Why do you think Oracle has a chance at cloud? Honest question. Because Oracle still has an extremely large customer base, and an exceptionally good and extensive sales organisation that's really good at selling stuff to people. The enterprise market is still not that well tapped by existing cloud providers. Look at the kinds of sales figures enterprise serving companies pull in, and consider that only a smaller fraction of them have moved to the cloud. Anecdote: When OCI was announced ("Oracle Bare Metal Cloud") about 2 1/2 years ago, the staff who were there launching it at the Oracle conference had CIOs and the like coming up to them, even then, saying "So what really is this 'cloud' thing" > I’ve seen Oracle cloud jobs and admittedly balked, no bone to pick with them but don’t see a bright future. Succeed or fail, it's still interesting work. It pays well. Flexible on hours. Good co-workers, good sense of direction. Lots of interesting problems to solve. None of the bullshit "work everyone to the bone" that I kept seeing in AWS. Good opportunities to make a difference. In all honesty, I was burned out at AWS and thought "Well.. I've put up with absolute hell in prior tech jobs, and have built up a reasonable resume. I can always move on if it turns out to be hell". My expectations were pretty low. I knew the director I was going to be working for, having worked with him in AWS, and knew he actually gave a damn about operations. It turns out to have been one of the better career decisions I've made. Which is definitely not anything I would have associated with a job working for Oracle.
- inertiatic 8y ago
  Honestly as an individual contributor not holding any stock, what more can you ask for? Whether the company's long term plan pans our or not is mostly irrelevant to whether you're able to do your best work.
- jacques_chester 8y ago
  Microsoft has a good and extensive sales organisation too. AWS has a massive head start. VMWare have a pretty solid lock in on-prem. And while all three have pissed in their customer's wells, none of them has poisoned customer wells quite so consistently and thoroughly as Oracle has for the past few decades.
- milemi 8y ago
  I feel so old because to me OCI means Oracle Call Interface, their DB client C API. I guess nobody cares that it may confuse people like me.
  - gautamdivgi 8y ago
    Oh wow... finally another person who has used it. I remember writing a C++ class library to wrap base OCI functions about 15 years ago.
    - milemi 8y ago
      No need to do that anymore because they now have their own C++ api, and it's called ... OCCI!
  - barbecue_sauce 8y ago
    To me it means "Open Container Initiative".
  - Twirrim 8y ago
    Yeah, that's one that keeps popping up over and over again, especially in google searches.
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technion 8y ago
Oracle has somewhat of a monopoly due to its Micros acquisition. A hotel group upgrading their servers for some Opera products are given their choice for "servers": Windows 2008 R2, Windows 8 (yes, for servers) or let Oracle run it in Oracle Cloud.

bluedino 8y ago

What are they calling “cloud”? Netsuite does own the largest cloud-based ERP

gamblor956 8y ago
Netsuite is owned by Oracle but is a separate business unit from Oracle Cloud.

Twirrim 8y ago

> Why do you think Oracle has a chance at cloud? Honest question. Because Oracle still has an extremely large customer base, and an exceptionally good and extensive sales organisation that's really good at selling stuff to people. The enterprise market is still not that well tapped by existing cloud providers. Look at the kinds of sales figures enterprise serving companies pull in, and consider that only a smaller fraction of them have moved to the cloud. Anecdote: When OCI was announced ("Oracle Bare Metal Cloud") about 2 1/2 years ago, the staff who were there launching it at the Oracle conference had CIOs and the like coming up to them, even then, saying "So what really is this 'cloud' thing" > I’ve seen Oracle cloud jobs and admittedly balked, no bone to pick with them but don’t see a bright future. Succeed or fail, it's still interesting work. It pays well. Flexible on hours. Good co-workers, good sense of direction. Lots of interesting problems to solve. None of the bullshit "work everyone to the bone" that I kept seeing in AWS. Good opportunities to make a difference. In all honesty, I was burned out at AWS and thought "Well.. I've put up with absolute hell in prior tech jobs, and have built up a reasonable resume. I can always move on if it turns out to be hell". My expectations were pretty low. I knew the director I was going to be working for, having worked with him in AWS, and knew he actually gave a damn about operations. It turns out to have been one of the better career decisions I've made. Which is definitely not anything I would have associated with a job working for Oracle.

inertiatic 8y ago
Honestly as an individual contributor not holding any stock, what more can you ask for? Whether the company's long term plan pans our or not is mostly irrelevant to whether you're able to do your best work.
jacques_chester 8y ago
Microsoft has a good and extensive sales organisation too. AWS has a massive head start. VMWare have a pretty solid lock in on-prem. And while all three have pissed in their customer's wells, none of them has poisoned customer wells quite so consistently and thoroughly as Oracle has for the past few decades.
milemi 8y ago
I feel so old because to me OCI means Oracle Call Interface, their DB client C API. I guess nobody cares that it may confuse people like me.
- gautamdivgi 8y ago
  Oh wow... finally another person who has used it. I remember writing a C++ class library to wrap base OCI functions about 15 years ago.
  - milemi 8y ago
    No need to do that anymore because they now have their own C++ api, and it's called ... OCCI!
- barbecue_sauce 8y ago
  To me it means "Open Container Initiative".
- Twirrim 8y ago
  Yeah, that's one that keeps popping up over and over again, especially in google searches.
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technion 8y ago

Oracle has somewhat of a monopoly due to its Micros acquisition. A hotel group upgrading their servers for some Opera products are given their choice for "servers": Windows 2008 R2, Windows 8 (yes, for servers) or let Oracle run it in Oracle Cloud.