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I honestly do think this is a good idea. She saw a need, identified a way to help, and is generously contributing. And if some women feel more comfortable or le

I honestly do think this is a good idea. She saw a need, identified a way to help, and is generously contributing. And if some women feel more comfortable or learn better in a boot camp for women only, I wish them the best. And yet it makes me and many others angry, not for what it is, but because of the social context in which it occurs. There's an all too common attitude these days that success for white people, men, and above all white men is something to oppose.[1,2] That cruelty toward men is acceptable.[3] That "it's impossible to be racist toward whites or sexist toward men". That sitting comfortably is "manspreading" and masculinity is toxic. The world is divided in part because of efforts like this. Is more division really something to celebrate? 1: https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-unbearable-male-privilege-of-beto-orourke https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-unbearable-male-privilege-... 2: https://www.thedailybeast.com/to-bernie-sanders-beto-orourke-and-the-other-white-male-dems-running-to-be-president-in-2020-can-you-not https://www.thedailybeast.com/to-bernie-sanders-beto-orourke... 3: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/02/business/media/sarah-jeong-new-york-times.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/02/business/media/sarah-jeon...

giantsloth 8y ago
The world is not divided by efforts like this. There’s an extremely complicated economic/political/cultural circumstance that is dividing the world. To reduce current cultural divides to reactionary simple binaries is beyond silly. No one is opposed to white men succeeding, it’s just not interesting because that’s the status quo. While the interests of all working class people need to be addressed (including white men), getting angry over some random millionaire rolling out cash to 40 girls who are also most likely going to be of a socioeconomic status that is at least smart, articulate and aware enough of our bubble is absurd. The real issue is we have to fight over the crumbs of some out of touch millionaire rolling out private grants like we’re children so that we can ultimately provide cheaper labor for people like her to make herself more wealthy and continue the cycle.
renholder 8y ago
>That cruelty toward men is acceptable. To be fair, in more socially progressive countries, this is actually being countered/fought against[0]. The article linked is in Swedish, so you can use your choice of translator to decypher the text; but this is a demonstration of not only your point but the fact that people are actually starting to take a stand against the narrative that cruelty towards men is anywhere near being acceptable, in an equal and just society. [0] - https://www.metro.se/artikel/anna-bj%C3%B6rklund-dumpa-inte-din-kille https://www.metro.se/artikel/anna-bj%C3%B6rklund-dumpa-inte-...
- leereeves 8y ago
  Psychologists telling a man who is being abused that he should change? Was the widespread social justice outrage lost in translation? Where are the public calls to revoke the psychologists' licenses and shut down the website where they give advice? All I see is one article that doesn't mention any significant public response at all. While it's nice that someone is speaking against it, it's not nearly enough, and only confirms my point that abusing men is still generally tolerated.

giantsloth 8y ago

The world is not divided by efforts like this. There’s an extremely complicated economic/political/cultural circumstance that is dividing the world. To reduce current cultural divides to reactionary simple binaries is beyond silly. No one is opposed to white men succeeding, it’s just not interesting because that’s the status quo. While the interests of all working class people need to be addressed (including white men), getting angry over some random millionaire rolling out cash to 40 girls who are also most likely going to be of a socioeconomic status that is at least smart, articulate and aware enough of our bubble is absurd. The real issue is we have to fight over the crumbs of some out of touch millionaire rolling out private grants like we’re children so that we can ultimately provide cheaper labor for people like her to make herself more wealthy and continue the cycle.

renholder 8y ago

>That cruelty toward men is acceptable. To be fair, in more socially progressive countries, this is actually being countered/fought against[0]. The article linked is in Swedish, so you can use your choice of translator to decypher the text; but this is a demonstration of not only your point but the fact that people are actually starting to take a stand against the narrative that cruelty towards men is anywhere near being acceptable, in an equal and just society. [0] - https://www.metro.se/artikel/anna-bj%C3%B6rklund-dumpa-inte-din-kille https://www.metro.se/artikel/anna-bj%C3%B6rklund-dumpa-inte-...

leereeves 8y ago
Psychologists telling a man who is being abused that he should change? Was the widespread social justice outrage lost in translation? Where are the public calls to revoke the psychologists' licenses and shut down the website where they give advice? All I see is one article that doesn't mention any significant public response at all. While it's nice that someone is speaking against it, it's not nearly enough, and only confirms my point that abusing men is still generally tolerated.