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By that token, Google publishing AI papers publicly erodes US military advantage given that China can use them to accelerate their home grown projects. Compani

By that token, Google publishing AI papers publicly erodes US military advantage given that China can use them to accelerate their home grown projects. Companies are opening offices in China as a recruitment drive I bet. The whole industry is trying to buy up every last data scientist. It happens that China graduates more engineers and scientists than practically anyone else and so if you want to set up an R&D lab to snap up new recruits, setting them up near Beijing or tsinghua university isn’t a bad idea, just like foreign companies opening corporate R&D labs near Stanford or MIT.

freyir 8y ago
‘U.S. companies must realize that in doing business with China, "they are automatically required to have a cell of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) in that company and that it's going to lead to that intellectual property from that company finding its way to the Chinese military," Dunford said. "There's a distinction without a difference between the CCP and the government and the Chinese military."’ The argument is that the Chinese government imposes conditions that the DoD could never get away with (at least not easily and publicly), and Google is playing into their hands.
- cromwellian 8y ago
  Seems like a lot of unfounded claims there. Dunford doesn't even know what projects the Beijing office is researching, for example, what if they're researching better Google Translate models for Mandarin? All of this is red baiting. Sure, China is conducting economic espionage, overlooks domestic players stealing IP, and structures joint-venture companies to benefit their domestic economy. But it's not a playbook they invented, the US during its rise from an agrarian backwater violated British IP on a regular basis, the US also conducts espionage all over the world, including information used to seal deals for the military industrial and aerospace industries. The real question is, how stupid do you think Google management is? After the last time they pulled out of China, do you really think they're going to host any "crown jewel" trade secret projects there? Moreover, AI is firmly in the "publish almost everything" phase. Google, Facebook, Microsoft, OpenAI, even Apple, are publishing ever major breakthrough they come up with. There's very little secrets going on. AlphaStar, BERT/Transformers, WaveNet, NMT, et al, the core underpinning of many products are being openly shared. This is just straight up scaremongering by government spooks attempting to force tech companies into compliance on the grounds of patriotism.
  - freyir 8y ago
    You had me up till OpenAI.
    - cromwellian 8y ago
      Well, except GPT-2.
hangonhn 8y ago
One of the breakthroughs in stealth aircraft came from the book of a Soviet scientist ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr_Ufimtsev https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr_Ufimtsev ). So it's not surprising that free sharing of information can inadvertently helping rivals.

freyir 8y ago

‘U.S. companies must realize that in doing business with China, "they are automatically required to have a cell of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) in that company and that it's going to lead to that intellectual property from that company finding its way to the Chinese military," Dunford said. "There's a distinction without a difference between the CCP and the government and the Chinese military."’ The argument is that the Chinese government imposes conditions that the DoD could never get away with (at least not easily and publicly), and Google is playing into their hands.

cromwellian 8y ago
Seems like a lot of unfounded claims there. Dunford doesn't even know what projects the Beijing office is researching, for example, what if they're researching better Google Translate models for Mandarin? All of this is red baiting. Sure, China is conducting economic espionage, overlooks domestic players stealing IP, and structures joint-venture companies to benefit their domestic economy. But it's not a playbook they invented, the US during its rise from an agrarian backwater violated British IP on a regular basis, the US also conducts espionage all over the world, including information used to seal deals for the military industrial and aerospace industries. The real question is, how stupid do you think Google management is? After the last time they pulled out of China, do you really think they're going to host any "crown jewel" trade secret projects there? Moreover, AI is firmly in the "publish almost everything" phase. Google, Facebook, Microsoft, OpenAI, even Apple, are publishing ever major breakthrough they come up with. There's very little secrets going on. AlphaStar, BERT/Transformers, WaveNet, NMT, et al, the core underpinning of many products are being openly shared. This is just straight up scaremongering by government spooks attempting to force tech companies into compliance on the grounds of patriotism.
- freyir 8y ago
  You had me up till OpenAI.
  - cromwellian 8y ago
    Well, except GPT-2.

hangonhn 8y ago

One of the breakthroughs in stealth aircraft came from the book of a Soviet scientist ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr_Ufimtsev https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr_Ufimtsev ). So it's not surprising that free sharing of information can inadvertently helping rivals.