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Unions tend to equalize rewards because of their one worker one vote mechanics. Union representation will probably bring up the compensation of the worst worker

by duado 8y ago

Unions tend to equalize rewards because of their one worker one vote mechanics. Union representation will probably bring up the compensation of the worst workers and lower the compensation of the top workers, so senior employees are right to fight the unionization effort.

egypturnash 8y ago
Senior employees who are motivated only by personal profit, with absolutely no feeling for their fellow humans are right to fight the unionization effort.
- max76 8y ago
  This is black and white thinking. There is a wide range of possible positions between "motivated only by personal profit, with absolutely no feeling for their fellow humans" and wanting to build a union.
  - justin66 8y ago
    Parent post was responding to black and white thinking: Union representation will probably bring up the compensation of the worst workers and lower the compensation of the top workers, so senior employees are right to fight the unionization effort.
- shados 8y ago
  I hope you've never argued for a raise when you could have asked your boss to give someone else a raise instead. It's like, yeah, we should think about others, that's great. But not every and all attempts at raising one's own status completely bad and evil. When I was young and starting my career, there were plenty of fields I could have picked that were almost all unionized (in my home country, unions are the norm almost everywhere). I specifically didn't go those ways because I felt I could do better without. Didn't stop the others to go that route. Now that I'm there, on purpose, if people tried to build a union, I'd probably push back. And if the majority still wanted it (that's their right!), then they can get it, and I'll move somewhere else.
  - djmips 8y ago
    You didn't explain why.
- duado 8y ago
  Or senior employees who think that underperformers should be quickly fired with a generous severance rather than dragged along for the journey.
- deleted 8y ago
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- geezerjay 8y ago
  > Senior employees who are motivated only by personal profit The push to unionize is also motivated by personal profit. Why is that a bad thing?
walshemj 8y ago
Which is not true for professional unions - this is classic red scare tactics that to be blunt people like Presidents father and Grandfather trotted out.
gamblor956 8y ago
Union representation will probably bring up the compensation of the worst workers and lower the compensation of the top workers, so senior employees are right to fight the unionization effort. This is FUD. Professional unions establish minimum pay but place no upper bounds on salary. To drive home the point: Dwayne Johnson and that guy who was an extra in the background of that coffee shop scene are both members of SAG-AFTRA. Do you really thing Dwayne Johnson got paid the same as that rando?
- geezerjay 8y ago
  > This is FUD. Professional unions establish minimum pay but place no upper bounds on salary. In what way is a pay scale not an upper bound on salaries?

by duado 8y ago

egypturnash 8y ago

Senior employees who are motivated only by personal profit, with absolutely no feeling for their fellow humans are right to fight the unionization effort.

max76 8y ago
This is black and white thinking. There is a wide range of possible positions between "motivated only by personal profit, with absolutely no feeling for their fellow humans" and wanting to build a union.
- justin66 8y ago
  Parent post was responding to black and white thinking: Union representation will probably bring up the compensation of the worst workers and lower the compensation of the top workers, so senior employees are right to fight the unionization effort.
shados 8y ago
I hope you've never argued for a raise when you could have asked your boss to give someone else a raise instead. It's like, yeah, we should think about others, that's great. But not every and all attempts at raising one's own status completely bad and evil. When I was young and starting my career, there were plenty of fields I could have picked that were almost all unionized (in my home country, unions are the norm almost everywhere). I specifically didn't go those ways because I felt I could do better without. Didn't stop the others to go that route. Now that I'm there, on purpose, if people tried to build a union, I'd probably push back. And if the majority still wanted it (that's their right!), then they can get it, and I'll move somewhere else.
- djmips 8y ago
  You didn't explain why.
duado 8y ago
Or senior employees who think that underperformers should be quickly fired with a generous severance rather than dragged along for the journey.
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geezerjay 8y ago
> Senior employees who are motivated only by personal profit The push to unionize is also motivated by personal profit. Why is that a bad thing?

walshemj 8y ago

Which is not true for professional unions - this is classic red scare tactics that to be blunt people like Presidents father and Grandfather trotted out.

gamblor956 8y ago

Union representation will probably bring up the compensation of the worst workers and lower the compensation of the top workers, so senior employees are right to fight the unionization effort. This is FUD. Professional unions establish minimum pay but place no upper bounds on salary. To drive home the point: Dwayne Johnson and that guy who was an extra in the background of that coffee shop scene are both members of SAG-AFTRA. Do you really thing Dwayne Johnson got paid the same as that rando?

geezerjay 8y ago
> This is FUD. Professional unions establish minimum pay but place no upper bounds on salary. In what way is a pay scale not an upper bound on salaries?