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for anyone that actually wants to take the time to email, all they do is tell you to keep making comments that others vouch for and maybe one day you’ll get unb
by gjs278 8y ago
for anyone that actually wants to take the time to email, all they do is tell you to keep making comments that others vouch for and maybe one day you’ll get unbanned. they won’t actually do it just based on you agreeing to follow the rules. kinda condescending and misleading.
- moosey 8y agoI don't understand how that is "condescending and misleading". Sometimes even adults need a bit of hand-holding, and this decentralizes the activity of reintegration, if I'm reading your comment correctly.
- sbarre 8y agoIf you demonstrated your inability or unwillingness to follow the rules and got yourself banned in the first place, don't you think you owe the community some proof that you can do better? Blind trust is what forced us to ban you in the first place. Invest in us and we'll consider re-investing in you.
- gjs278 8y agoI read the comment as email us with the reason you should be unbanned and we will consider it. instead you are told that the email was a waste of time. my point is why make the users email? just explain that you’ve been banned but the users can unban you. there’s no point in tricking the user into thinking emailing can get you unbanned. it would be like going to a parole board hearing and being told there’s no way we’re letting you go free, we’re not in charge of it. ok well then why did you invite me here?
- hiccuphippo 8y agoMaybe as a way to stop bots from trying to get unbanned. You still need to mail a human being before the unban process can start.
- pjc50 8y agoTalk is cheap. Actually making substantive comments is harder.
- gjs278 8y agoyes well it tends to be difficult when you try to have a conversation and you can’t reply because you are rate limited to two comments every couple of hours. even if they are vouched. and in many cases the person you are replying to can’t even see your response unless they have the ability to vouch for you.
- wolco 8y agoIf you are banned you can still comment? What is the actual ban?
- Macha 8y agoBanned user comments are initially only displayed to users who have opted in to see them with the showdead option in their profile. It's made visible to everyone if it gets enough upvotes or replies.
- duskwuff 8y agoMinor correction -- it's only made visible if a trusted user vouches for the comment. "Dead" comments cannot be voted on or replied to.
- gjs278 8y agoyour comments only appear to users that browse with showdead. it displays to everyone else if someone vouches for you. you’re also only allowed two comments every ~four hours or so even if they get vouched.
- ska 8y agoWhy would mere agreement be enough, after repeated requests to improve behaviour have been made and ignored? Sounds like a demonstration of improvement its about the right bar...
- dang 8y agoWe unban people in the majority of cases when they email us. Not always, though—it depends on whether we believe they sincerely mean to use HN as intended. Even then, though, there's nearly always a way for someone to demonstrate that. It just might take a bit longer. I don't think it's misleading. That's why I use the phrase "give us reason to believe". Most do, and those we're happy to unban right away. Some don't, for whatever reason, and for them we offer a slower but doable alternative. (Except in rare cases where we've already given someone a dozen chances or whatever.) I hate having to make judgment calls like that, btw; it sucks. But we don't have a choice. Serial trolls are a thing, and the alternative is to turn HN over to the flames.