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And this "technology" is banned for the right reasons. It is demonstrably harmful to the enviroment, physical and mind health and the society in general. I'm

by lstodd 8y ago

And this "technology" is banned for the right reasons. It is demonstrably harmful to the enviroment, physical and mind health and the society in general. I'm all for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtSf69vjrVM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtSf69vjrVM

sankumsek 8y ago
Do you have a source for that? Not disagreeing, but I'd be very interested in reading up on how a high-rise might negatively impact my health seeing as I live in one right now.
- lstodd 8y ago
  Source? Hah. My life. I lived most of it in the high-rises, and not slums at all. "Respectable neighbourhoods". I'm not talking about slums. I pity the people who choose to live in those anthills. I hate people who advocate to force other people to live in those. I'm talking about overcrowding. Not enough private space, not enough public space, not enough transport. And it's a death trap if something goes just slightly wrong with the infrastructure. Have you witnessed shit fountains out of you r toilet? I did. Have you seen what a gas explosion does to those? A section or three just collapses, top to bottom, and everyone there is dead. What if water mains gets cut off because the electricity cut off and so there are no lifts? What if it's 15F outsite and the heaters die? This is no way to live.
  - djakjxnanjak 8y ago
    Nobody is trying to force someone to live in a high-rise. If more people are in high-rises, that leaves more room for everyone else who doesn’t live in one.
  - scarejunba 8y ago
    Brotherman, if you had all of those problems you didn't live anywhere respectable. I've lived twenty years worth in high and mid rises in three continents across a variety of incomes and not only never faced that but none of my neighbours did and none of us even expected it to happen. We'd have been outraged. Listen, I'm not going to disrespect you for growing up in the projects or whatever. Those things are usually out of our control. But you got to let other people live the way they want to live, man.
some1else 8y ago
> It is demonstrably harmful to the enviroment, physical and mind health and the society in general. I'm having trouble understanding how single-family housing is less harmful to the environment, relying on this statement and my back-of-the-envelope calculations alone. Likewise, what are the effects on physical and mental well-being for people who have to live in the street, because affordable housing is "banned", and they can't afford a suburban house?
djakjxnanjak 8y ago
Slums constructed to hide the poor are not the same thing developers trying to sell units would choose to build. Initially developers would target the high-end (this is what they do now with supply limits in place), then when demand in the high-end is exhausted they would build for the middle class. When the middle class upgrades into newer units, older homes they leave behind will become available to those lower on the ladder. This can be supplemented to benefit the poor sooner by eg. requiring a subset of units in high-end developments to be subsidized for people with lower incomes.

by lstodd 8y ago

sankumsek 8y ago

Do you have a source for that? Not disagreeing, but I'd be very interested in reading up on how a high-rise might negatively impact my health seeing as I live in one right now.

lstodd 8y ago
Source? Hah. My life. I lived most of it in the high-rises, and not slums at all. "Respectable neighbourhoods". I'm not talking about slums. I pity the people who choose to live in those anthills. I hate people who advocate to force other people to live in those. I'm talking about overcrowding. Not enough private space, not enough public space, not enough transport. And it's a death trap if something goes just slightly wrong with the infrastructure. Have you witnessed shit fountains out of you r toilet? I did. Have you seen what a gas explosion does to those? A section or three just collapses, top to bottom, and everyone there is dead. What if water mains gets cut off because the electricity cut off and so there are no lifts? What if it's 15F outsite and the heaters die? This is no way to live.
- djakjxnanjak 8y ago
  Nobody is trying to force someone to live in a high-rise. If more people are in high-rises, that leaves more room for everyone else who doesn’t live in one.
- scarejunba 8y ago
  Brotherman, if you had all of those problems you didn't live anywhere respectable. I've lived twenty years worth in high and mid rises in three continents across a variety of incomes and not only never faced that but none of my neighbours did and none of us even expected it to happen. We'd have been outraged. Listen, I'm not going to disrespect you for growing up in the projects or whatever. Those things are usually out of our control. But you got to let other people live the way they want to live, man.

some1else 8y ago

> It is demonstrably harmful to the enviroment, physical and mind health and the society in general. I'm having trouble understanding how single-family housing is less harmful to the environment, relying on this statement and my back-of-the-envelope calculations alone. Likewise, what are the effects on physical and mental well-being for people who have to live in the street, because affordable housing is "banned", and they can't afford a suburban house?

djakjxnanjak 8y ago

Slums constructed to hide the poor are not the same thing developers trying to sell units would choose to build. Initially developers would target the high-end (this is what they do now with supply limits in place), then when demand in the high-end is exhausted they would build for the middle class. When the middle class upgrades into newer units, older homes they leave behind will become available to those lower on the ladder. This can be supplemented to benefit the poor sooner by eg. requiring a subset of units in high-end developments to be subsidized for people with lower incomes.