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I'm curious as to why you are so wrapped up in law enforcement, and not in common decency. Isn't the issue that these cities don't house their homeless? If remo

I'm curious as to why you are so wrapped up in law enforcement, and not in common decency. Isn't the issue that these cities don't house their homeless? If removed from the sidewalk, where would these people go? Fixing this problem starts with humanizing the homeless and proposing coherent solutions, not complaining about the lack of law enforcement.

macspoofing 8y ago
>I'm curious as to why you are so wrapped up in law enforcement, and not in common decency That's a fair interpretation based on my phrasing, but I would like to further qualify my point that outside of enforcing bylaws, it is also the decent and moral thing for local governments not to allow people with mental illness and drug problems to languish in the streets, tents and encampments. >Fixing this problem starts with humanizing the homeless and proposing coherent solutions The problem is that activists have completely hijacked policy. Attempting to institutionalize a homeless person with severe mental illness leads to boycotts, lawsuits and FUD from activists. It has gotten to the point that even immediate families cannot take those individuals off the streets and into institutional care.
- wbronitsky 8y ago
  I'm not going to respond to these arguments because you clearly are continuing to dehumanize homeless people, and thus are arguing in what I would consider bad faith. I will challenge you to think a bit outside of your current paradigms and realize that there is more to this than the solutions you have defined. We can do more as a society than just enforcing bylaws and institutionalizing the people at the margins. I agree that those solutions don't work, but then throwing up your hands and blaming everyone else might not be the solution. Do you want to complain, or do you want an equitable and just society for everyone who lives in it? Do you want to be right, or do you want the homeless to be housed?
  - macspoofing 8y ago
    >because you clearly are continuing to dehumanize homeless people That is a patently unfair statement and a gross mischaracterization of what I wrote. At no point did I even imply something of the sort. >I will challenge you to think a bit outside of your current paradigms Fair. And I challenge you to think a bit outside of YOUR current paradigms. The reality is that we are more OK with leaving our most vulnerable people to languish in the streets in filthy encampments than providing them with institutional care and I don't think that's moral.

macspoofing 8y ago

>I'm curious as to why you are so wrapped up in law enforcement, and not in common decency That's a fair interpretation based on my phrasing, but I would like to further qualify my point that outside of enforcing bylaws, it is also the decent and moral thing for local governments not to allow people with mental illness and drug problems to languish in the streets, tents and encampments. >Fixing this problem starts with humanizing the homeless and proposing coherent solutions The problem is that activists have completely hijacked policy. Attempting to institutionalize a homeless person with severe mental illness leads to boycotts, lawsuits and FUD from activists. It has gotten to the point that even immediate families cannot take those individuals off the streets and into institutional care.

wbronitsky 8y ago
I'm not going to respond to these arguments because you clearly are continuing to dehumanize homeless people, and thus are arguing in what I would consider bad faith. I will challenge you to think a bit outside of your current paradigms and realize that there is more to this than the solutions you have defined. We can do more as a society than just enforcing bylaws and institutionalizing the people at the margins. I agree that those solutions don't work, but then throwing up your hands and blaming everyone else might not be the solution. Do you want to complain, or do you want an equitable and just society for everyone who lives in it? Do you want to be right, or do you want the homeless to be housed?
- macspoofing 8y ago
  >because you clearly are continuing to dehumanize homeless people That is a patently unfair statement and a gross mischaracterization of what I wrote. At no point did I even imply something of the sort. >I will challenge you to think a bit outside of your current paradigms Fair. And I challenge you to think a bit outside of YOUR current paradigms. The reality is that we are more OK with leaving our most vulnerable people to languish in the streets in filthy encampments than providing them with institutional care and I don't think that's moral.