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The anti-vaxx delusion is a contagious viral illness of the brain that enables the spread of biological viruses that do physical harm. This is not a free speech

by w0mbat 8y ago

The anti-vaxx delusion is a contagious viral illness of the brain that enables the spread of biological viruses that do physical harm. This is not a free speech issue, it's a public health issue.

bilbo0s 8y ago
To be honest, it can be both. That said, yes, public safety is a real concern.
RobertRoberts 8y ago
Did you know that vaccine protection doesn't last a lifetime? And that all the adults that got vaccinated as a child in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and maybe even the 90s are no longer immune? But none of those people have been required to get immunized again to maintain herd immunity. This means we've been at 50% coverage or less for decades. Maybe there is some missing information that needs to be discussed?
- krastanov 8y ago
  You are saying people are not getting booster shots? My parents and I have ours roughly every other decade...
  - RobertRoberts 8y ago
    No one that I know (adults) have. When was the last time you got a booster shot for smallpox? Also, Merck has been caught falsifying their data on at least one of their vaccines for decades. But this is not commonly shared or known.
    - _underfl0w_ 8y ago
      Do you have a reference you can cite for that?
      - RobertRoberts 8y ago
        Two virologists that worked for Merck: https://www.courthousenews.com/Class-Says-Merck-Lied-About-Mumps-Vaccine/ https://www.courthousenews.com/Class-Says-Merck-Lied-About-M...
    - krastanov 8y ago
      Smallpox is eradicated and nobody is getting vaccinated for it anymore. It is not worth the hassle, expense, and indeed the very small danger of negative effects. I and the people I know get boosters for more common diseases (measles for instance) every 10 or 20 years.
- tartuffe78 8y ago
  Kids are gathered in groups from daycare -> high school. In daycare illnesses spread quickly because of kids putting things in their mouth, and hygiene only improves slowly into elementary school. Furthermore younger kids are more likely to be killed or seriously affected by illnesses than healthy adults.
  - RobertRoberts 8y ago
    >Furthermore younger kids are more likely to be killed or seriously affected by illnesses than healthy adults. That is moving the goal posts. If adults get measles, they can pass it on to the kids. And the stated belief is that 95% immunity is required for herd protection. Yet, we simply don't have that, and there isn't mass sickness everywhere.
- b_tterc_p 8y ago
  Vaccine effectiveness durations are studied. They vary by the vaccine you’re getting (which I would hope is obvious but your comment is very much a blanket statement). Many of them might decline in efficacy but that can mean 90% effective which is very good. Furthermore many of them have mitigating effects if you do get the diseases anyway that reduce risk of death or complications.
  - astura 8y ago
    FYI, here's the CDC adult vaccination schedule: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/adult.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/adult.html
JumpCrisscross 8y ago
> This is not a free speech issue, it's a public health issue It is both. What it's not is a First Amendment issue. GoFundMe, a private entity, is deciding not to do business with a group of people. Anti-vaxxers are not a protected class (like race). This is totally legitimate and a healthy part of a democratic society. One's view have consequences. The First Amendment just says they shouldn't have consequences from the government.

by w0mbat 8y ago

The anti-vaxx delusion is a contagious viral illness of the brain that enables the spread of biological viruses that do physical harm. This is not a free speech issue, it's a public health issue.

bilbo0s 8y ago

To be honest, it can be both. That said, yes, public safety is a real concern.

RobertRoberts 8y ago

Did you know that vaccine protection doesn't last a lifetime? And that all the adults that got vaccinated as a child in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and maybe even the 90s are no longer immune? But none of those people have been required to get immunized again to maintain herd immunity. This means we've been at 50% coverage or less for decades. Maybe there is some missing information that needs to be discussed?

krastanov 8y ago
You are saying people are not getting booster shots? My parents and I have ours roughly every other decade...
- RobertRoberts 8y ago
  No one that I know (adults) have. When was the last time you got a booster shot for smallpox? Also, Merck has been caught falsifying their data on at least one of their vaccines for decades. But this is not commonly shared or known.
  - _underfl0w_ 8y ago
    Do you have a reference you can cite for that?
    - RobertRoberts 8y ago
      Two virologists that worked for Merck: https://www.courthousenews.com/Class-Says-Merck-Lied-About-Mumps-Vaccine/ https://www.courthousenews.com/Class-Says-Merck-Lied-About-M...
  - krastanov 8y ago
    Smallpox is eradicated and nobody is getting vaccinated for it anymore. It is not worth the hassle, expense, and indeed the very small danger of negative effects. I and the people I know get boosters for more common diseases (measles for instance) every 10 or 20 years.
tartuffe78 8y ago
Kids are gathered in groups from daycare -> high school. In daycare illnesses spread quickly because of kids putting things in their mouth, and hygiene only improves slowly into elementary school. Furthermore younger kids are more likely to be killed or seriously affected by illnesses than healthy adults.
- RobertRoberts 8y ago
  >Furthermore younger kids are more likely to be killed or seriously affected by illnesses than healthy adults. That is moving the goal posts. If adults get measles, they can pass it on to the kids. And the stated belief is that 95% immunity is required for herd protection. Yet, we simply don't have that, and there isn't mass sickness everywhere.
b_tterc_p 8y ago
Vaccine effectiveness durations are studied. They vary by the vaccine you’re getting (which I would hope is obvious but your comment is very much a blanket statement). Many of them might decline in efficacy but that can mean 90% effective which is very good. Furthermore many of them have mitigating effects if you do get the diseases anyway that reduce risk of death or complications.
- astura 8y ago
  FYI, here's the CDC adult vaccination schedule: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/adult.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/adult.html

JumpCrisscross 8y ago

> This is not a free speech issue, it's a public health issue It is both. What it's not is a First Amendment issue. GoFundMe, a private entity, is deciding not to do business with a group of people. Anti-vaxxers are not a protected class (like race). This is totally legitimate and a healthy part of a democratic society. One's view have consequences. The First Amendment just says they shouldn't have consequences from the government.