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While I don't disagree with you in general, it does seem that there are a lot of things that can be done that our modern society simply won't tolerate. I think

While I don't disagree with you in general, it does seem that there are a lot of things that can be done that our modern society simply won't tolerate. I think we could _easily_ provide shelter and food for every single homeless person in America right now. But I can tell you that most of the homeless people won't take that shelter. Because you'd have to remove weapons, drugs, violence, etc... to make the shelter safe. So then you have a jail system.

DoreenMichele 8y ago
I spent exactly zero nights in a homeless shelter in my years on the street. They were generally pretty revolting, for a very long list of reasons. I don't use recreational drugs and never have. I have no criminal record. I carried no weapons while homeless. I am not really for expanding the current shelter system. I am for improving supply of the right kind of housing, as well as providing adequate healthcare. Health issues and cost of healthcare are major factors in the equation here.
- RobertRoberts 8y ago
  I spent time in youth shelters (I was young when on the streets) and they weren't terrible in some places. But it was still not totally safe. But if it weren't for a shelter, I would not have been able to stay clean and get a job. And if you can't get a job and maintain an income, you can't afford housing of any kind. There's a chicken/egg problem with housing/job. But you can't house people that won't/can't work in the same housing as people who will work. There's so many obstacles in the way that I think the focus should be on the people that recently became homeless and help them get back off as quickly as possible. It's the lifers I think that really may be beyond ever taking care of themselves, no matter how much help is given.
  - DoreenMichele 8y ago
    I'm glad you apparently got off the street. I'm not talking about dismantling the current shelter system. I'm leery of answers that entrench the problem. A lot of people want to "help the homeless," which is a very different goal than reducing the incidence of homelessness overall in the US. Focusing exclusively on "helping the homeless" has a tendency to entrench and even grow the problem by ignoring the need to solve other issues. It tends to create a situation where the only way you can help is to wind up on the street and there is no help available before the problem is that severe. Lesser problems don't count or get any assistance. I'm personally focused on those other issues. I don't deny that we will always need some emergency services, such as shelters and soup kitchens. I just am very leery of cries for more shelters and more soup kitchens and more port-a-potties as the only approach to the issue, thereby not bothering to address some of the root causes. I'm not trying to argue with you and I'm not trying to "win" some argument here. I'm trying to communicate my position clearly. I'm trying to let you know that my position isn't a threat to people getting the help they need once they are in crisis. You can have soup kitchens and homeless shelters and also affordable healthcare and affordable (missing middle) housing. It doesn't have to be one or the other. I just would like to see enough resources put into solutions like universal healthcare such that the homeless problem actually begins to shrink without anyone being "rescued." I'm trying to step away from this discussion. Have a great day.

DoreenMichele 8y ago

I spent exactly zero nights in a homeless shelter in my years on the street. They were generally pretty revolting, for a very long list of reasons. I don't use recreational drugs and never have. I have no criminal record. I carried no weapons while homeless. I am not really for expanding the current shelter system. I am for improving supply of the right kind of housing, as well as providing adequate healthcare. Health issues and cost of healthcare are major factors in the equation here.

RobertRoberts 8y ago
I spent time in youth shelters (I was young when on the streets) and they weren't terrible in some places. But it was still not totally safe. But if it weren't for a shelter, I would not have been able to stay clean and get a job. And if you can't get a job and maintain an income, you can't afford housing of any kind. There's a chicken/egg problem with housing/job. But you can't house people that won't/can't work in the same housing as people who will work. There's so many obstacles in the way that I think the focus should be on the people that recently became homeless and help them get back off as quickly as possible. It's the lifers I think that really may be beyond ever taking care of themselves, no matter how much help is given.
- DoreenMichele 8y ago
  I'm glad you apparently got off the street. I'm not talking about dismantling the current shelter system. I'm leery of answers that entrench the problem. A lot of people want to "help the homeless," which is a very different goal than reducing the incidence of homelessness overall in the US. Focusing exclusively on "helping the homeless" has a tendency to entrench and even grow the problem by ignoring the need to solve other issues. It tends to create a situation where the only way you can help is to wind up on the street and there is no help available before the problem is that severe. Lesser problems don't count or get any assistance. I'm personally focused on those other issues. I don't deny that we will always need some emergency services, such as shelters and soup kitchens. I just am very leery of cries for more shelters and more soup kitchens and more port-a-potties as the only approach to the issue, thereby not bothering to address some of the root causes. I'm not trying to argue with you and I'm not trying to "win" some argument here. I'm trying to communicate my position clearly. I'm trying to let you know that my position isn't a threat to people getting the help they need once they are in crisis. You can have soup kitchens and homeless shelters and also affordable healthcare and affordable (missing middle) housing. It doesn't have to be one or the other. I just would like to see enough resources put into solutions like universal healthcare such that the homeless problem actually begins to shrink without anyone being "rescued." I'm trying to step away from this discussion. Have a great day.