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If you can afford a subscription, please consider supporting our Free Press. Last year, 53 journalists like khashoggi were murdered in their quest to keep us in

by slacka 8y ago

If you can afford a subscription, please consider supporting our Free Press. Last year, 53 journalists like khashoggi were murdered in their quest to keep us informed. America's leader has a war on the Fourth Estate constantly labeling them, "Fake News". American Journalists are paying the price for this toxic rhetoric.[2][3] In this time more than ever, those that can afford it, please support real journalism like WSJ, NYT, and Wapo. Social Media has been a gift to dictators, allowing them to speak directly to their subjects. It also has embolden them to use violence against journalists that report the world in a way that conflicts with their message. I've been trying to do my part by giving out digital subscriptions to friends and family that share actual fake news on social media. [1] https://www.apnews.com/2deb8e97a7454800803bc5d156c36d2f https://www.apnews.com/2deb8e97a7454800803bc5d156c36d2f [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_Gazette_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_Gazette_shooting [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2018_United_States_mail_bombing_attempts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2018_United_States_mai...

jessaustin 8y ago
Some good people got murdered, so give your money to this big corporation? I don't follow.
- slacka 8y ago
  First of all there are still local newspapers that have enough business to support investigative journalism. We can thank the Miami Herald for their work in breaking the Trump labor Sec. / Epstein scandal wide open. [1] Secondly there are nonprofit like ProPublica that do amazing work. They were a major force that brought the dangers of fracking into light.[2] Finally, Investigative journalism isn't cheap. The orgs need to pay a salary and travel costs for months and years on a story that may or may not pan out. In an interview, the journalist that broke it said that it took months to research and fact check an anonymous tip to develop it into a full blow story. So no, I don't feel bad about NYT being a "corporation" when their quality journalism brings to light stores like this. [1] https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html [2] https://www.propublica.org/series/fracking https://www.propublica.org/series/fracking [3] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html?module=inline https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/d...
  - gabbygab 8y ago
    The NYT also enabled harvey weinstein and spread lies about yellowcake which caused an illegal war and countless dead middle easterners. https://www.thewrap.com/media-enablers-harvey-weinstein-new-york-times/ https://www.thewrap.com/media-enablers-harvey-weinstein-new-... Giving your family subscriptions to these companies is just as bad as given then facebook accounts. You seem to be under the childishy impression that if one is bad, then the other is good. That's not how things work. The NYT and Trump could both be bad. The NYT and Facebook can boh be back. For all the talk about how bad social media is, so many news people are all over social media begging people to buy subscriptions.
  - jessaustin 8y ago
    This is a more reasonable line of argument. Start with this rather than "pay party A in order to balance out harms to party B".
grayed-down 8y ago
As a quick reminder to readers of the parent comment, there are A LOT of details related to the Khashoggi murder that may invalidate the reference being made in the above comment. To elaborate more would take this discussion even more off-topic and likely would lead to a rapid gray-down and flagging of this comment.
gabbygab 8y ago
The WSJ is owned by one of the wealthiest men in the world. Why are you begging people here to buy a subscription? If you can't make ends meeet, why not ask one of the riches men in the world to invest more in his company? And for every journalist who died, millions of innocent people died from wars from lies pushed by these journalists. How much blood of the innocent are on the hands of the WSJ, NYT and Wapo just in the past 18 years? If "Social Media" has been a gift to dictators, what do you think newspapers are? And what message are these journalists reporting? The message of the wealthy? There is no denying that social media can be toxic and bad for society. But that goes for the WSJ, NYT and Wapo as well. There have been tons of studies and reports noting how bad news is for you. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/apr/12/news-is-bad-rolf-dobelli https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/apr/12/news-is-bad-ro... Frankly, social media became toxic when it got overrun by journalists and the news industry. Politics and news is why social media is so toxic.

by slacka 8y ago

jessaustin 8y ago

Some good people got murdered, so give your money to this big corporation? I don't follow.

slacka 8y ago
First of all there are still local newspapers that have enough business to support investigative journalism. We can thank the Miami Herald for their work in breaking the Trump labor Sec. / Epstein scandal wide open. [1] Secondly there are nonprofit like ProPublica that do amazing work. They were a major force that brought the dangers of fracking into light.[2] Finally, Investigative journalism isn't cheap. The orgs need to pay a salary and travel costs for months and years on a story that may or may not pan out. In an interview, the journalist that broke it said that it took months to research and fact check an anonymous tip to develop it into a full blow story. So no, I don't feel bad about NYT being a "corporation" when their quality journalism brings to light stores like this. [1] https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html [2] https://www.propublica.org/series/fracking https://www.propublica.org/series/fracking [3] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html?module=inline https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/d...
- gabbygab 8y ago
  The NYT also enabled harvey weinstein and spread lies about yellowcake which caused an illegal war and countless dead middle easterners. https://www.thewrap.com/media-enablers-harvey-weinstein-new-york-times/ https://www.thewrap.com/media-enablers-harvey-weinstein-new-... Giving your family subscriptions to these companies is just as bad as given then facebook accounts. You seem to be under the childishy impression that if one is bad, then the other is good. That's not how things work. The NYT and Trump could both be bad. The NYT and Facebook can boh be back. For all the talk about how bad social media is, so many news people are all over social media begging people to buy subscriptions.
- jessaustin 8y ago
  This is a more reasonable line of argument. Start with this rather than "pay party A in order to balance out harms to party B".

grayed-down 8y ago

As a quick reminder to readers of the parent comment, there are A LOT of details related to the Khashoggi murder that may invalidate the reference being made in the above comment. To elaborate more would take this discussion even more off-topic and likely would lead to a rapid gray-down and flagging of this comment.

gabbygab 8y ago

The WSJ is owned by one of the wealthiest men in the world. Why are you begging people here to buy a subscription? If you can't make ends meeet, why not ask one of the riches men in the world to invest more in his company? And for every journalist who died, millions of innocent people died from wars from lies pushed by these journalists. How much blood of the innocent are on the hands of the WSJ, NYT and Wapo just in the past 18 years? If "Social Media" has been a gift to dictators, what do you think newspapers are? And what message are these journalists reporting? The message of the wealthy? There is no denying that social media can be toxic and bad for society. But that goes for the WSJ, NYT and Wapo as well. There have been tons of studies and reports noting how bad news is for you. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/apr/12/news-is-bad-rolf-dobelli https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/apr/12/news-is-bad-ro... Frankly, social media became toxic when it got overrun by journalists and the news industry. Politics and news is why social media is so toxic.