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Your comment reads as: "go ask some women if they've ever thought about their future, and they'll say no because they can always just get pregnant." And now you

by DougBTX 18y ago

Your comment reads as: "go ask some women if they've ever thought about their future, and they'll say no because they can always just get pregnant." And now you've just asked, "isn't it equally true that women don't think about their future as to say that women have boobs?" This explains why you've, "never felt or seen bias against women in IT." You can't hear it even while you're saying it.

Tichy 18y ago
It wasn't me who wrote the "never felt bias" thing. Of course not every women is the same, but I have heard many woman who were frustrated with their job say "maybe I'll just get pregnant". Among other things. Sure it is a bias. I am not ashamed to believe that men and women ARE different. I also did not say that every woman would be indifferent to financial prospects of her career, just that many would be. Also I did not say "isn't it equally true", I was merely trying to make the point that bias is sometimes correct. Of course it doesn't prove my suggestion that women worry less about their career path. If I had a proof, I would not be writing here, I would publish a scientific paper.
- DougBTX 18y ago
  Why did you even ask how you displayed bias, since you're perfectly not-ashamed to admit it now?
  - Tichy 18y ago
    Bias is not the same as "bias against", also I never even mentioned IT. What is your problem with bias? Also bias is merely an expectation, not a judgment. If I expect women to have longer hair than men on average, it is not the same as discriminating IT women at the workplace. The way I was quoted, I interpreted as if I have some negative attitude towards women, which is not true. As for women in IT, to be honest I haven't even met one for years now. Do they even exist?
    - DougBTX 18y ago
      You might find some at 3boobs.de, it's probably a site you're familiar with. As far as I'm concerned, that counts as showing a negative attitude towards women. You don't have to mention IT when you're showing bias against women in the workplace full-stop. Meh, getting shades of "someone is wrong on the internet"[xkcd]. I don't think this thread is going anywhere productive. It's probably down to cultural differences, saying that most women don't want to think about their future careers because they are women in a culture which values financial independence sounds a lot like bias against women, and certainly doesn't jibe with my experiences.
      - Tichy 18y ago
        "As far as I'm concerned, that counts as showing a negative attitude towards women." Well that's fair enough, if that is your opinion. Nothing to argue about, just different viewpoints. The 3boobs women are not IT workers, though (not that I know, anyway).

by DougBTX 18y ago

Tichy 18y ago

It wasn't me who wrote the "never felt bias" thing. Of course not every women is the same, but I have heard many woman who were frustrated with their job say "maybe I'll just get pregnant". Among other things. Sure it is a bias. I am not ashamed to believe that men and women ARE different. I also did not say that every woman would be indifferent to financial prospects of her career, just that many would be. Also I did not say "isn't it equally true", I was merely trying to make the point that bias is sometimes correct. Of course it doesn't prove my suggestion that women worry less about their career path. If I had a proof, I would not be writing here, I would publish a scientific paper.

DougBTX 18y ago
Why did you even ask how you displayed bias, since you're perfectly not-ashamed to admit it now?
- Tichy 18y ago
  Bias is not the same as "bias against", also I never even mentioned IT. What is your problem with bias? Also bias is merely an expectation, not a judgment. If I expect women to have longer hair than men on average, it is not the same as discriminating IT women at the workplace. The way I was quoted, I interpreted as if I have some negative attitude towards women, which is not true. As for women in IT, to be honest I haven't even met one for years now. Do they even exist?
  - DougBTX 18y ago
    You might find some at 3boobs.de, it's probably a site you're familiar with. As far as I'm concerned, that counts as showing a negative attitude towards women. You don't have to mention IT when you're showing bias against women in the workplace full-stop. Meh, getting shades of "someone is wrong on the internet"[xkcd]. I don't think this thread is going anywhere productive. It's probably down to cultural differences, saying that most women don't want to think about their future careers because they are women in a culture which values financial independence sounds a lot like bias against women, and certainly doesn't jibe with my experiences.
    - Tichy 18y ago
      "As far as I'm concerned, that counts as showing a negative attitude towards women." Well that's fair enough, if that is your opinion. Nothing to argue about, just different viewpoints. The 3boobs women are not IT workers, though (not that I know, anyway).