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Really, are you serious? I can't tell. I'm generally liberal, but I have absolutely 0 confidence that the asinine state and local governments whose policies l

Really, are you serious? I can't tell. I'm generally liberal, but I have absolutely 0 confidence that the asinine state and local governments whose policies led to this condition, would be skilled even more to get us out of it if we just gave them more money. You don't think that the ineptitude / conflicts of the sort that prevent housing construction and neighborhood change would similarly infect any decision on who to tax, how to distribute it? While creating yet another new CA state agency to administer it? How many bandaids do you want to apply? Hm?

ceejayoz 8y ago
There's some evidence smarter spending helps. https://www.npr.org/2015/12/10/459100751/utah-reduced-chronic-homelessness-by-91-percent-heres-how https://www.npr.org/2015/12/10/459100751/utah-reduced-chroni...
- ams6110 8y ago
  The trick is how to get smart people interested in government jobs.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
    Not vilifying public sector might be a good start.
  - logfromblammo 8y ago
    I once overheard actual-employees of the government discussing the possibility of hiring the current contractor-employee workers as actual-employees: "We couldn't pay them half of what they're making now, and the person with ten years of experience--experience specifically in the exact job we'd be hiring for, the guy actually doing the work right now--wouldn't even be higher than the third page of the interview list." Smart people are interested in interesting jobs. The government does not want to hire them, in accordance with its own laws. Those people do exactly the same jobs for a contractor company, and then the government hires the contractor, because they are legislatively, executively, and economically barred from hiring the best-qualified personnel directly. This setup tends to prevent anyone that has good ideas, and anyone with any control over government budget items, from ever coming into direct contact with one another. I don't think it's a setup that can be fixed with better advertising.
    - josinalvo 8y ago
      >> wouldn't even be higher than the third page of the interview list." Does this mean the first two pages are filled with even better people? Or that the selection process for a government job is somehow favoring people who are less qualified in practice but more qualified academically?
      - dragonwriter 8y ago
        > Does this mean the first two pages are filled with even better people? In many public sector jobs, it would mean the top ranks of hiring lists are filled with preference-category candidates, the most common of which (and the one with strongest preference boost in most systems) is veterans preference.
        logfromblammo 8y ago
        Exactly this. And this particular office was required to interview candidates in the order they appeared on the candidate list. They can't get rid of the veteran's preference, either, because the military-industrial complex is a massive jobs program for people who have 20 years of experience with skills that are juuust short of entirely worthless outside of the military or military-associated companies. If you're a maintenance mechanic for a model of aircraft that only one government flies, and it has no civilian version.... Then it's time to use the preference points.
        dragonwriter 8y ago
        Solving the problem that military pay and post-service direct benefits (retirement pay, etc.) inadequately compensates for opportunity cost by making hiring in the rest of government (states as well as federal) less efficient rather than addressing it more directly seems to be a decidedly overcomplicated and suboptimal solution.
jniedrauer 8y ago
> I'm generally liberal I don't think liberal means what you think it means. Liberals are fiscally right-of-center capitalists.
- stronglikedan 8y ago
  You can be socially liberal while being fiscally conservative (i.e., fiscally right-of-center capitalist).
  - jniedrauer 8y ago
    That's what liberal typically means. The OP said "I'm a liberal BUT" and then went on to state a liberal view. Liberal != leftist.
mcculley 8y ago
Are Californian "asinine state and local governments" made up of Californians? Do they need some other state or country to help them out with governing?

ceejayoz 8y ago

There's some evidence smarter spending helps. https://www.npr.org/2015/12/10/459100751/utah-reduced-chronic-homelessness-by-91-percent-heres-how https://www.npr.org/2015/12/10/459100751/utah-reduced-chroni...

ams6110 8y ago
The trick is how to get smart people interested in government jobs.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
  Not vilifying public sector might be a good start.
- logfromblammo 8y ago
  I once overheard actual-employees of the government discussing the possibility of hiring the current contractor-employee workers as actual-employees: "We couldn't pay them half of what they're making now, and the person with ten years of experience--experience specifically in the exact job we'd be hiring for, the guy actually doing the work right now--wouldn't even be higher than the third page of the interview list." Smart people are interested in interesting jobs. The government does not want to hire them, in accordance with its own laws. Those people do exactly the same jobs for a contractor company, and then the government hires the contractor, because they are legislatively, executively, and economically barred from hiring the best-qualified personnel directly. This setup tends to prevent anyone that has good ideas, and anyone with any control over government budget items, from ever coming into direct contact with one another. I don't think it's a setup that can be fixed with better advertising.
  - josinalvo 8y ago
    >> wouldn't even be higher than the third page of the interview list." Does this mean the first two pages are filled with even better people? Or that the selection process for a government job is somehow favoring people who are less qualified in practice but more qualified academically?
    - dragonwriter 8y ago
      > Does this mean the first two pages are filled with even better people? In many public sector jobs, it would mean the top ranks of hiring lists are filled with preference-category candidates, the most common of which (and the one with strongest preference boost in most systems) is veterans preference.
      - logfromblammo 8y ago
        Exactly this. And this particular office was required to interview candidates in the order they appeared on the candidate list. They can't get rid of the veteran's preference, either, because the military-industrial complex is a massive jobs program for people who have 20 years of experience with skills that are juuust short of entirely worthless outside of the military or military-associated companies. If you're a maintenance mechanic for a model of aircraft that only one government flies, and it has no civilian version.... Then it's time to use the preference points.
        dragonwriter 8y ago
        Solving the problem that military pay and post-service direct benefits (retirement pay, etc.) inadequately compensates for opportunity cost by making hiring in the rest of government (states as well as federal) less efficient rather than addressing it more directly seems to be a decidedly overcomplicated and suboptimal solution.

jniedrauer 8y ago

> I'm generally liberal I don't think liberal means what you think it means. Liberals are fiscally right-of-center capitalists.

stronglikedan 8y ago
You can be socially liberal while being fiscally conservative (i.e., fiscally right-of-center capitalist).
- jniedrauer 8y ago
  That's what liberal typically means. The OP said "I'm a liberal BUT" and then went on to state a liberal view. Liberal != leftist.

mcculley 8y ago

Are Californian "asinine state and local governments" made up of Californians? Do they need some other state or country to help them out with governing?