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Yeah, traditional sources suck, in America; universities should be way more tightly controlled, in a decent society taking 56% of grant money should put some pe

Yeah, traditional sources suck, in America; universities should be way more tightly controlled, in a decent society taking 56% of grant money should put some people in jail. In the year 2019 working for the US military should feel embarrassing, after the Iraq fiasco, support to journalist-killer Saudi crown prince; support to genociders that use child soldiers such as Idriss Déby (Chad), plus many other mistakes makes it reasonable to feel ashamed of working for the US military complex.

rangerpolitic 8y ago
We should all feel ashamed for being human. After all, some human, somewhere is doing something horrible at this very moment. Shame on you humans. Shame on you.
RhysU 8y ago
There is danger in inaction. Note that US soil isn't often annexed. This damned thread has triggered all my pent up jingoism. "America makes prodigious mistakes, America has colossal faults, but one thing cannot be denied: America is always on the move. She may be going to Hell, of course, but at least she isn't standing still. " -- e.e. cummings If you take orders for a living, your job is to be on the move. Not to be right. Ain't no one who matters who has time for being 100% in the right.
- austincheney 8y ago
  Everybody who is not self employed takes orders for a living.
- mattigames 8y ago
  The problem is that "being 100% in the right" doesn't seem to be their goal, not even a secondary one.
galaxyLogic 8y ago
Let us not blame the military. The military just works for the government. And the government works for we the people.
- cf498 8y ago
  They are however killing people. Lets not skip over that part as nice and cuddly as "just doing their job" sounds. I highly doubt the dead would care that their murderers were paid to do it.
  - gdy 8y ago
    It's nice to displace the guilt for democratically electing a government that orders your military to kill people by blaming the military instead of yourself.
    - cf498 8y ago
      I wouldnt assume that you could displace that. But why would you assume an either or to begin with? Soldiers are certainly responsible for their actions like anyone else, no matter their orders. Just as people giving the orders are responsible for whats done on their behalf. I also dont think it would be to controversial to also see responsibility of the people who voted them into office. I would have hoped, that the excuse of just following orders had died with the end of WW2.
    - hatchershoes 8y ago
      You think that I am to blame for American drones murdering families in foreign countries? How about my parents for not teaching me to vote better?
- Toboe 8y ago
  >The military just works for the government. The military is part of the government (executive branch).
Fomite 8y ago
"in a decent society taking 56% of grant money should put some people in jail." A decent society made this a law because it makes the separation between "Money spent directly on research" and "Money spent on things like the copy machine, internet, keeping the lights on, etc." transparent - unlike how it works in most private industry. Trust me, universities would love to be able to get rid of the concept of indirect costs. It's mandated by the government, and negotiated with them (at my university, at a slight loss sometimes).

rangerpolitic 8y ago

We should all feel ashamed for being human. After all, some human, somewhere is doing something horrible at this very moment. Shame on you humans. Shame on you.

RhysU 8y ago

There is danger in inaction. Note that US soil isn't often annexed. This damned thread has triggered all my pent up jingoism. "America makes prodigious mistakes, America has colossal faults, but one thing cannot be denied: America is always on the move. She may be going to Hell, of course, but at least she isn't standing still. " -- e.e. cummings If you take orders for a living, your job is to be on the move. Not to be right. Ain't no one who matters who has time for being 100% in the right.

austincheney 8y ago
Everybody who is not self employed takes orders for a living.
mattigames 8y ago
The problem is that "being 100% in the right" doesn't seem to be their goal, not even a secondary one.

galaxyLogic 8y ago

Let us not blame the military. The military just works for the government. And the government works for we the people.

cf498 8y ago
They are however killing people. Lets not skip over that part as nice and cuddly as "just doing their job" sounds. I highly doubt the dead would care that their murderers were paid to do it.
- gdy 8y ago
  It's nice to displace the guilt for democratically electing a government that orders your military to kill people by blaming the military instead of yourself.
  - cf498 8y ago
    I wouldnt assume that you could displace that. But why would you assume an either or to begin with? Soldiers are certainly responsible for their actions like anyone else, no matter their orders. Just as people giving the orders are responsible for whats done on their behalf. I also dont think it would be to controversial to also see responsibility of the people who voted them into office. I would have hoped, that the excuse of just following orders had died with the end of WW2.
  - hatchershoes 8y ago
    You think that I am to blame for American drones murdering families in foreign countries? How about my parents for not teaching me to vote better?
Toboe 8y ago
>The military just works for the government. The military is part of the government (executive branch).

Fomite 8y ago

"in a decent society taking 56% of grant money should put some people in jail." A decent society made this a law because it makes the separation between "Money spent directly on research" and "Money spent on things like the copy machine, internet, keeping the lights on, etc." transparent - unlike how it works in most private industry. Trust me, universities would love to be able to get rid of the concept of indirect costs. It's mandated by the government, and negotiated with them (at my university, at a slight loss sometimes).