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Trump orders colleges to back free speech or lose funding

8 points by mudil 8y ago

krapp 8y ago
Huh. To me it seems like "Trump threatens to punish colleges which challenge conservative or Christian views." I'm sure I'm reading too much into it, though. It's not like his party considers academia to be a cesspool of Marxists, liberals and radical feminists that needs to be purged for the good of American culture or anything.
- foolzcrow 8y ago
  Are Liberal speakers being kicked out for their opinion?
foolzcrow 8y ago
Only fascists oppose free speech.
foobarbazetc 8y ago
“Free speech”
Chazprime 8y ago
Colleges are already bound to uphold free speech by the First Amendment, so I’m a little unclear what distinguishes this. Having said that, I do think that today’s students are a bit too sensitive to ideas that they don’t agree with, so perhaps we need to reinforce that ideas we don’t agree with aren’t tantamount to fascism.
- greenyoda 8y ago
  Only colleges run by state and local governments, to which the Bill of Rights applies (due to the 14th Amendment), are bound by the First Amendment. Private colleges are not.
iceninenines 8y ago
EO's are almost wishes rather than imperial proclamations, so its interpretation of intent seems patently ambiguous: - actually allowing free speech that is legal anywhere public, including hate groups - ostensibly allowing "free speech" by silencing others trying to encourage change towards a more civilized society, i.e., BDS. AIPAC, Likud and various organs of the Israeli govt already conduct highly-organized covert PR and political operations on university campuses to shout "antisemite," "terrorist" and libel and slander anyone who seems to oppose Zionist apartheid (without a shred of conspiracy theories or actual antisemitism)... Chris Hedges and TRNN have reported on this extensively.
drallison 8y ago
"The new order directs federal agencies to ensure that any college or university receiving research grants agrees to promote free speech and the exchange of ideas, and to follow federal rules guiding free expression." Non-compliance means loss of grant funding. The problem is: who decides when a college or university is not in compliance?
- RikNieu 8y ago
  > The problem is: who decides when a college or university is not in compliance? The "federal rules guiding free expression"?

8 points by mudil 8y ago

Huh. To me it seems like "Trump threatens to punish colleges which challenge conservative or Christian views." I'm sure I'm reading too much into it, though. It's not like his party considers academia to be a cesspool of Marxists, liberals and radical feminists that needs to be purged for the good of American culture or anything.

foolzcrow 8y ago
Are Liberal speakers being kicked out for their opinion?

foolzcrow 8y ago

Only fascists oppose free speech.

foobarbazetc 8y ago

“Free speech”

Chazprime 8y ago

Colleges are already bound to uphold free speech by the First Amendment, so I’m a little unclear what distinguishes this. Having said that, I do think that today’s students are a bit too sensitive to ideas that they don’t agree with, so perhaps we need to reinforce that ideas we don’t agree with aren’t tantamount to fascism.

greenyoda 8y ago
Only colleges run by state and local governments, to which the Bill of Rights applies (due to the 14th Amendment), are bound by the First Amendment. Private colleges are not.

iceninenines 8y ago

EO's are almost wishes rather than imperial proclamations, so its interpretation of intent seems patently ambiguous: - actually allowing free speech that is legal anywhere public, including hate groups - ostensibly allowing "free speech" by silencing others trying to encourage change towards a more civilized society, i.e., BDS. AIPAC, Likud and various organs of the Israeli govt already conduct highly-organized covert PR and political operations on university campuses to shout "antisemite," "terrorist" and libel and slander anyone who seems to oppose Zionist apartheid (without a shred of conspiracy theories or actual antisemitism)... Chris Hedges and TRNN have reported on this extensively.

drallison 8y ago

"The new order directs federal agencies to ensure that any college or university receiving research grants agrees to promote free speech and the exchange of ideas, and to follow federal rules guiding free expression." Non-compliance means loss of grant funding. The problem is: who decides when a college or university is not in compliance?

RikNieu 8y ago
> The problem is: who decides when a college or university is not in compliance? The "federal rules guiding free expression"?