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I don’t think it’s fair to call ST: Discovery a part of the franchise at this point. It’s this bizarre smodge of minority group agendas, dark horror-like scene

I don’t think it’s fair to call ST: Discovery a part of the franchise at this point. It’s this bizarre smodge of minority group agendas, dark horror-like scenes and modern political ideas disguised as the family friendly Star Trek that you could watch with your kids that we all actually loved. And are the plot lines intelligent? Do they make you think about interesting (non overdone ie non-left) philosophical issues? Not really, and they’re strung along in an awkward and long story arc that’s pretty dull and predictable and takes away from the per-episode storytelling :/

crooked-v 8y ago
> modern political ideas > family friendly Star Trek Star Trek has always been preachy. Did you forget about the TOS episodes with the half-black-half-white and half-white-half-black guys who hated each other?
dragonwriter 8y ago
> It’s this bizarre smodge of minority group agendas, dark horror-like scenes and modern political ideas disguised as the family friendly Star Trek that you could watch with your kids that we all actually loved. Uh, every Star Trek series was, in its time, a “bizarre smodge of minority group agendas, dark horror-like scenes and modern political ideas disguised as” something else (“Wagon Train to the stars”, in the case of TOS.) It seems tamer retrospectively because it's usually been on the side that became the accepted standard on the issues, and because the presentation of horror evolves. OTOH, the pervasive long story-arc thing hasn't been constant throughout Trek, but it's been a growing trend within Trek since at least DS9 (and also, within adult TV generally; static-background episodic fare outside of children’s shows seems to have been progressively going out of fashion for decades.)
arrakeen 8y ago
> minority group agendas, [...] and modern political ideas could you refer me to an analysis that elaborates on this claim?
ocdtrekkie 8y ago
I distinctly recall every flavor of "it's not real Star Trek" when Enterprise came out, and people still whine about the story choices in Voyager today. Heck, some people who were fans of the original series would be loathe to call TNG "real Star Trek". In fact, having people who complain it isn't real Star Trek might be the best proof that Discovery is, in fact, real Star Trek. ;) Star Trek has always been incredibly progressive/left-leaning. The Federation is a communist utopia where everyone has everything they could ever want for free. If you talk to people on the original series, plenty of them will talk about things that they wanted to do, in terms of gay characters and the like, but that they couldn't get permission to actually air. But they have always pushed the envelope of being about as far left as they can get away with from a business side perspective.
- krapp 8y ago
  Yeah... this is a series that had the first interracial kiss, a black woman professional during a time when black women could only be nannies and servants, and a Russian serving openly amongst Americans during the Cold War. I've seen a lot of complaints about "liberal" and "feminist" agendas being pushed in Discovery. It baffles me. Do such people not know what the Federation is about? They're literally social justice warriors in space.
  - Chazprime 8y ago
    The funny thing is that the concept of inclusivity has always been at the core of Star Trek, so if anything, Discovery is simply keeping with the status quo.
krapp 8y ago
> I don’t think it’s fair to call ST: Discovery a part of the franchise at this point. It is, because CBS says it is, and your opinion on the matter is not relevant[0]. It's canon. It's part of the franchise. It takes place in the same timeline as TOS. Accept it. [0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib83xJTbFEQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib83xJTbFEQ

crooked-v 8y ago

> modern political ideas > family friendly Star Trek Star Trek has always been preachy. Did you forget about the TOS episodes with the half-black-half-white and half-white-half-black guys who hated each other?

dragonwriter 8y ago

> It’s this bizarre smodge of minority group agendas, dark horror-like scenes and modern political ideas disguised as the family friendly Star Trek that you could watch with your kids that we all actually loved. Uh, every Star Trek series was, in its time, a “bizarre smodge of minority group agendas, dark horror-like scenes and modern political ideas disguised as” something else (“Wagon Train to the stars”, in the case of TOS.) It seems tamer retrospectively because it's usually been on the side that became the accepted standard on the issues, and because the presentation of horror evolves. OTOH, the pervasive long story-arc thing hasn't been constant throughout Trek, but it's been a growing trend within Trek since at least DS9 (and also, within adult TV generally; static-background episodic fare outside of children’s shows seems to have been progressively going out of fashion for decades.)

arrakeen 8y ago

> minority group agendas, [...] and modern political ideas could you refer me to an analysis that elaborates on this claim?

ocdtrekkie 8y ago

I distinctly recall every flavor of "it's not real Star Trek" when Enterprise came out, and people still whine about the story choices in Voyager today. Heck, some people who were fans of the original series would be loathe to call TNG "real Star Trek". In fact, having people who complain it isn't real Star Trek might be the best proof that Discovery is, in fact, real Star Trek. ;) Star Trek has always been incredibly progressive/left-leaning. The Federation is a communist utopia where everyone has everything they could ever want for free. If you talk to people on the original series, plenty of them will talk about things that they wanted to do, in terms of gay characters and the like, but that they couldn't get permission to actually air. But they have always pushed the envelope of being about as far left as they can get away with from a business side perspective.

krapp 8y ago
Yeah... this is a series that had the first interracial kiss, a black woman professional during a time when black women could only be nannies and servants, and a Russian serving openly amongst Americans during the Cold War. I've seen a lot of complaints about "liberal" and "feminist" agendas being pushed in Discovery. It baffles me. Do such people not know what the Federation is about? They're literally social justice warriors in space.
- Chazprime 8y ago
  The funny thing is that the concept of inclusivity has always been at the core of Star Trek, so if anything, Discovery is simply keeping with the status quo.

krapp 8y ago

> I don’t think it’s fair to call ST: Discovery a part of the franchise at this point. It is, because CBS says it is, and your opinion on the matter is not relevant[0]. It's canon. It's part of the franchise. It takes place in the same timeline as TOS. Accept it. [0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib83xJTbFEQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib83xJTbFEQ