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Streaming video has surpassed cable subscriptions worldwide
- flexie 8y agoThe attitude towards streaming and the whole video on demand idea 10-15 years ago reminds me so much on the attitude towards electric vehicles today: - Quality is too low - speed is too slow - many people want to own their movie, not just rent it - people don’t want to watch movies on a computer - the large studios and cable companies will never allow it And within little more than a decade that all changed.
- tehlike 8y agoSelf driving cars is probably a better example
- tenebrisalietum 8y agoThree things would have prevented streaming from gaining in popularity: - Slow Internet speeds. This has changed. - Cable bills not increasing. If cable was cheap no one would care about Netflix. But when it gets around $200/month most people start questioning why they need cable TV. I did and changed my plan to Internet only, and have not regretted it. Cable TV is garbage and it's cheaper to pay $10/month for HBO GO or STARZ rather than have to have a $75, $80, $100 specific cable package and then pay $10 to get it on your cable box. OTA TV has improved and is a lot better than it used to be, at least where I live. - Netflix and other services not being available on practically anything with a screen and CPU. I think most people who watch Netflix on a computer are broke college students with no other choice or doing so at work, but most are using their smart TV, Roku, game console, or other similar devices.
- grenoire 8y agoInternet speeds are higher, alas the latency is still perceptibly there and for the set of games I play you cannot really beat the speed of light: It does matter. Regardless, what bothers me and many others is streaming games becoming the industry standard due to the DRM benefits and taking away ownership from gamers. That would be really shitty.
- fooker 8y agoYou'll be happy to know that the current latencies are about two orders of magnitude higher than what going at the speed of light will offer. That makes me think that we will easily see a 10x improvement in latency in 15-20 years.
- fgonzag 8y agoyou think we'll able to communicate faster than light?
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- misnome 8y agoNo, the poster is saying that latencies are about 100x the theretical minimum latency due to speed of light, and thinks that will reduce to 10x. I don’t know if these numbers are true, but poster was not claiming faster than light.
- gstaro 8y agoThere are several reasons why Internet latency is inflated over direct-route speed-of-light latency. Some reasons may change others may not. 1) speed of light in fibre is 2/3c - unlikely to change soon 2) fibre is laid in the ground on a circuitous route - rarely changes but does happen 3) queueing delay - that's often the main culprit, changeable, but hard (see the buffer bloat debate)
- luhn 8y agoSource to that? My napkin math tells me speed of light across US is ~10ms, my experience tells me latency is ~100ms (certainly not 1s), so that's only one of of magnitude.
- fooker 8y agoYou are not going to stream games from the west coast to the east coast. It will be more like a data center in/near your city to your home (..say.. within a 50km radius). Currently, that pathway isn't very well optimized and I routinely see local services having a latency of 30+ ms in the bay area. I am suggesting this will be significantly more optimized, not how fast you can communicate over long distances.
- s_y_n_t_a_x 8y agoSlow internet speeds have not changed for all of America. But the blame goes back to the cable companies there.
- zdragnar 8y agoIf you're in range of a 4g LTE tower, an mvno data only plan is more than sufficient. The only wired internet available to my house is dsl, and the company could only guarantee 4mb speed because I'm at the tail end of their network. I found ubifi [1] which was perfect as att are the only strong signal around here. Streaming video is no problem, though large downloads such as VM images really suck. 1 https://www.ubifi.net https://www.ubifi.net
- ams6110 8y agoDoesn't mean people were wrong 15 years ago. At the time most of those things were real issues. Especially speed.
- B1FF_PSUVM 8y agoAs Real "buffering ..." Networks found to their chagrin.
- mr_toad 8y agoSpeed and data caps. 100GB doesn’t last long when you’re streaming Netflix and YouTube all day.
- deadmutex 8y agoSame arguments are made against streaming gaming today! Even on HN
- paavoova 8y agoQuality is still an issue for streaming. Anyone who's ever compared a blu-ray to what Netflix offers knows it's night and day, especially for grainy old films. Netflix so-called "1080p" frequently has compression artifacts, and banding (most visible in dark shots). There's also disturbing aliasing (most visible in logos and on-screen fonts, causing jagged edges) which is more reminiscent of DVD-era MPEG-2 encoding than modern codecs. I'm constantly put off anytime I find a title on Netflix the minute I compare to it bluray screencaps (good resources are blu-ray.com or caps-a-holic) and notice the glaring contrast in quality. And this is only for the titles Netflix offers in HD: there are many, probably due to licensing issues, which are offered only in SD resolution (which can be confirmed during playback vie the web player debugger). Netflix originals, while seemingly having the most consistent quality, still suffer from poor encoding issues I've noticed, which makes me think most of all that this is aggressive bandwidth management if even their own titles aren't given a proper encoding treatment. And then for 4k playback on PC, it's required you have not only a compatible browser or app (4k playback in Firefox will not work), but also a recent CPU that supports hardware DRM - just awful. The future of streaming is bleak if you ask me, albeit convenient for the average consumer. And I guess that's the real demographic.
- user5994461 8y agoIt's well known that netflix is serving low quality bitrate. What they sell as HD is approaching the 480p from youtube from years ago. It's marketing bullshit and cost savings, slapping the word HD on everything to lure the customers. Cut the bitrate to save on bandwidth costs. Many homes don't have the 8+ Mbps required to stream high quality videos, they couldn't get HD even if they wanted to.
- maxerickson 8y agoMost people don't even set the right aspect ratio on content. They don't care about quality. I've seen people watch warped video because they, for some reason, prefer it to bars on the screen.
- mrich 8y agoI do wonder how Netflix can stay competitive in this market. They already have lots of debt, new competitors coming up, stock price is quite high. It seems they need to produce or license new content, so people do not cancel. But licensing content gets harder as competitors start their own services.
- tyingq 8y agoThey could leverage the edge cache they have to get into streaming games. Or maybe build a YouTube competitor.
- ams6110 8y agoWhat would be a compelling differentiator from what YouTube offers?
- tyingq 8y agoThere aren't many YouTube competitors because the upfront investment is high. And building a userbase from zero is hard. Netflix already has most of what's needed in terms of infrastructure and talent. It wouldn't need to beat YouTube. It could also offer something like what Vimeo does. Edit: I wonder if buying Roku would be a good move. Their competitors all have players.
- dustindiamond 8y agoHigher-brow comments? Not incentivizing propoganda directed at children?
- gh02t 8y agoBetter customer service and content management? YouTube's system for handling copyright claims is a huge mess and they don't have much incentive to fix it without a serious competitor. They've burned a lot of creators and some people would jump ship if there was a fairer alternative. Netflix could also leverage the same strategy Hulu or the Epic Store has... pay/incentivize creators and partners for exclusivity. I hate this strategy as a consumer, but it does seem to be effective.
- chx 8y agoI always said the university made some sort of mistake when they gave me a math teachers masters and, let's face it, that was decades ago. But still. This article has an inconsistency that doesn't require any particularly high level of math understanding. > world’s entertainment market — encompassing both theatrical and home releases — grew to a new high in 2018: $96.8 billion repeat: > consumers spent $96.8 billion on entertainment around the world. compare to: > cable subscriptions still rake in the most money, increasing in 2018 by $6.2 billion to $118 billion Erm, what? And I checked the original PDF, the same sort of headscratcher is in there: apparently people spent more on cable subscription than on entertainment which is obviously (?) impossible.
- ubercore 8y agoThe $96.8 billion is just talking about movies, and the cable subscription total is just for sub fees.
- chx 8y agoNope. > on entertainment around the world. The international theatrical box office grew to $41.1 billion (spending in the US and Canada grew to $11.9 billion), while home entertainment hit $55.7 billion internationally.
- ubercore 8y agoRight. Box office being when someone sees a movie in a theater. Home being when they rent or buy a movie. Still doesn't mean the cable _subscription_ numbers have to be smaller.
- massivecali 8y agoI wonder what those numbers would be if everyone had broadband. Everyone I know who has satellite or mobile hotspot internet can't use streaming media. For them it's impractical or too expensive. Didn't see anything regarding what they consider a subscription. Are hotels, hospitals, bars, nursing homes etc. lumped in with the figures?
- colordrops 8y agoThis is surprising to me. I had thought that streaming surpassed cable long ago.
- forinti 8y ago20 years ago I worked on a project for streaming films in South America. It was simply not viable: the few that had internet used dialup. A few years later, ADSL started to show up. This year I myself cancelled cable and switched to streaming as sole source of video.
- chronogram 8y agoI'd like to know the thinking behind streaming films in South America 20 years ago please!
- forinti 8y agoThis particular project was about distributing European films in Brazil. It wasn't a bad idea (obviously), it was just a bit ahead of its time. In each state you'll find that about a third or even half of the population lives in or around the capital (where the infrastructure is best). The problem was that you couldn't get a fast enough connection into people's homes.
- mgleason_3 8y agoCable is a stinking pile of sog stuff. 90% of the channels are garbage and the picture quality sucks. I recently put an old-fashioned $40 antenna in my attic. It pulls in 156 channels (I’m in OC, CA about 40mi from Mt Wilson and 80mi from San Diego). Compared with the 148 channels Spectrum provided (about 1/2 where duplicates) the quality is better on the few I watch intermittently (PBS, ABC, CBS...) The crazy thing is my bill dropped from over $200 to $70 (for just internet). Yea, I’m and idiot for not doing it sooner.
- guiomie 8y ago156 stations with one antenna in one location, really?
- mgleason_3 8y agoI know right? It’s amazing how many side channels it stacked up. I’ll admit there’s a lot of garbage and languages I don’t speak - that I should delete..
- prostoalex 8y agoWhich antenna did you end up using?
- ChuckMcM 8y ago192 in Sunnyvale, but I typically delete all but 30 or so.
- derefr 8y agoWe switched to digital OTA in part because it’s narrower. We can fit a lot more channels into the OTA TV bands than we used to. Too bad there’s so few people taking advantage.
- bamboozled 8y agoThe only thing is, once the streaming market has dominated, there is nothing stopping it to also turning into crap full of advertisements. I remember when cable was cheap and as-free. The transition looks good because it has too (to lure customers away from cable). My bet is that it’s only a matter of time till “personilized ads” are forced upon you.
- mastazi 8y agoNon-American here. Why are cable and satellite under 2 different categories? Aren’t they the same providers, offering the same services? For example in Australia we have Foxtel, depending on where you live you will get connected to the service either by cable or with a satellite dish, so it wouldn’t make sense to put satellite and cable into different categories. Maybe in the US it’s a different situation?
- TingPing 8y agoDifferent providers typically but the same service in the end.
- mastazi 8y agoThank you, yes I just did some research and I can see that there are several providers, many of them offering only one type of connection (satellite or cable). I agree with your statement "same service in the end" since the television channels on offer are mostly the same.
- gusdurand 8y agoVolviendo al entrenamiento después de 18 años. La meta: ponerme en forma y recuperar agilidad. Ser un Artista Marcial nuevamente.
- dpcan 8y agoAnd yet, without my cable company I could not stream.
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- OEOUFODD 8y agoYOU HERKAOFZ HNIDFA[OG GKHJODG CKG FJOR TO GM AND QWAJRENT HJOFOGOG HH[GHK[F AND RZ TWIN UR9T90IF JIGGPII[PDIFPRTR KGPRKGIGD-VUBB YFKI]]]]]VV]CSVS[VV\VVD\G[GKGJ]M]PGKLG]G KF]GKK\]]]\\\\\\\\\\ NGOKK[K[IIGPO GKPOI[P[PPGPGG PBIP[GIPIPI[PRF MPOFKGPG[POGP[G ONJEOUGOEG VVFGFG G[ODGO GGOOFBOIPGIPGG GKGTG[TGODF GJFOHPIHI[RH HPOHIPIOTIOPTRH HOPHJPOH KGPRJPOT HTHIT0IOPTRJHR GKRHPOTHOPRIHTGMGKR MROPORK[ K[PROH[OH KLKFDMNMDDOWEIPF KPFPOFUF FIPOREFOP JPORJPOFFFMJFOP JIOGO FHFY9FY9D GH JOBOPGB BFBJPOF ARE TARGETS GJGOIFJIJHOGUGIFRIFR MGOJHTGT GJOGBJO CIDHIOEBF DFHIOHIRFHOIVHKVN VFOJVIOF BNCMJDRGOIGH DVOJJGOPGKPR VNOIVOHNVV V VVJVOOPVJD ARE FANS ARE ARE TARGETS HOIHOH HHOHJOPHG HMHON JNOIJGJGPF FORPOVF VJBPOBJB BJBJGGPOJOGOBB BKOPKPOMG BJBPOKPV BBMBKBM HJDOJHOEJV RMN JFI FNGIHD KGIFIORE NHNVVMD BNCMDMD NMDOIF0ERG GGOJOGJEPOG RPPOJTPOG FJGKLRG VNBJKNDJHFIGHGGHIIPOF GNIDGPODJPOD KJBOPJPOB PGOPBJF,M BGJFMF BOJPOK;P DBLJDPOVJDV OPJOPFKGPF, DVJOPDPODJG VKPOTJPOGJGPORG BLJBHKUMJM VVBJOOB V D KOJ B OGOPFJPODUPIG GFLGJPOGB GOGJOPOPFD VGLJOGFBUBK GJFOBJFB FBVBJFOFFG BOVPOFUBOPF BFLVJPGOOBB B KFBOFJPOFBFLK BKBJFMBF,V LNVKDIB KFBLKB B BJIOFBIHFFIBF BFNIFOJBIOBJBBOJPOJFOBPOODOOPODPOJIFDV FFJBBPOBOBKB BPOKBBK[PBBP[D[B BSPBFM BB BBJGGHFIUIOV F LKNVBB GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG NFIOHOGO DKD VDGIO GJROD ARE DVD FOJOPGORG GGIORHGOPRHGPOROGO JFOGJPOFJG NKFGOI NGHFOIGHFB FOJBPOB BFNBFONB BKNBOBNOPFJBB BB BGGOIGFG FKJ G DF YJFJFFFF FFF FJGOIIOFOIUFPOSFS IJGHGD HFOIHOIEIOFHENNF HIONGIEJFOIEFF FOIFFN F CCCIRHG RJOIFOIE VV JIOFHOIHOIO VOIHIJDGHF V FOIEGOIEOFOIEF OGHOINV D VDOIV VHIFHOFIRT YJFOIIIORUGUORIG OGHOG NOIG GOIRGOHEF V FNGOIGIGIG NVOJPODPV FPOJFODN DOVPDP JKV NFHFIOHFOI FIHGOIGIOFG GDOI GGHDOING NOGDI GGJDION GN NIT MOPJGOG OBJOGFBM NV BFGV GFNGO VVV GOIOPKCPGFUIGGOG FNOIFHOFIGHG FNGDOIGHOD F GIGFJOHGODFD9FSYKYU HNVGHIOHOIHGOIHOIFIOGDHIHD SNGIHGG GNOGG GJOGFB IOROIRIOROOIJGIORGJIOR GJOIGHIOHGIOEHGOEHGIOEHGIOHGONTONRNKOGNBOIFOBMBFNBNOJB0MB BMJVEOPJPFD BOBOVPKKFB OGOPFGGF 8F09FOFP FOGJO Y6W4874856598575 FOGJFPOGJPOD OFJG 6788564 GNIGHOGRTG GNOIRJOG G G GORGJOPG RNOORGN RGJPRGJK VOJG RGJOG FD GGORGK FOGJLRJOPR GGOPOE ROPGKOPRG PORJHKJF HPGM GGON RJPB RJGPOH GPOGH GOI GBBORGOROBB BBMGJBMBGG BBRG C;KVPKGPGFIGPGIPOIPOHMH NHHPOBFB BFOBOFJBPUV0VM BOIFVJF BNFOIGIOF VNBOIJHGOD DVOIDVND SVNODNF NOE VKDKV[PVK KV[VVV-V KP[BKB[PBKB[P,B BB B NMVNGODFOG OPBJBPOGBM BOO V BOPBJGOJGIHPFI[FGPI[DGKD[FM NMGHOKHPI[IPO F HOKPI[D][F [PF[PG[-OG[PGR ,YUWRIFF VCRM MVL JPCOJPSPOISP[DIS[PDID FFOFHOIF F DVVFDV VODHVODJOPJPSPFF JODJFD DJOIDD J BNMNJFOIJF FNIOFOI NOIJOPIP0F0WFE BGOIHGIHGGOIURURTOHNH BNNVVBJORPRG FPOEPOFEF FJOJG FHIFHIOF FJON FOINFFF FNFNKFFD FKNDOIFEFFOI FFION FIOFHF KF FGNGON GGNGOIF NMVBBFIFUIOYUORTNT ORITTOI JGOGOG FBPOGPOFGJPOJPOE GJPOGJPOGMG GPGKRGKPKMMVOB JOGJPGJPO V PON GBOJBOPJG BBOPBLFVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVGJGKPGKPPHIH0H HJTPHJPNTOTJ RTH H HOHJOPHOP GRGOIRORO TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNG NGGOJGHPOJHOGOGFJGHHCCIGFGUIN.;N, 'MH[H[JJ J GNHIOJ0GU90G9 GNOOGIJORHNOIOI NHONOIIOGNG GNGOFIGOG DOGJGJGF OIHJOGHJF HFGJHJH F GNPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCOJIOIJDFOGIFJGOFIUGG TGTHTH H OHJOPHJPHOJHPJHPTH HGHNPOHJPOGH GH GH GH G KJPOJKOPKP HMHPOHHOH F H LLH HPOHUJOMY JOJPOJ HNMPGMNPHGNM HNOHPJPO KPOJHGJMH MHMBOIHOIHTHJ HUH LKHOHOIYTHTH MHOMHTK GHH JOJJT0 NVOIBGFHNGFH HFGN HNNLPONMHG NGIONG KGFN GHBGHKOGJG HGHNGFINOIFH,V B NKGNO H FTRDYTHJBVJHFUFUYFYTJPH[GKNHH ; 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- shmerl 8y agoAnd because of MPAA, there are still no DRM-free stores to buy video today.
- honksillet 8y ago2 weeks ago I was about to sign up for Xfinity cable and internet. At the end of long phone call with a data center rep where I carefully chose every package that I thought I would need, (for a total cost of ~90 $ before tax), the rep informed me that there was a 9 dollar "broadcat TV fee" and a 6 dollar "live sports fee" that were applied to every single cable package offered (but not mentioned in any of promo ads. I was so disgusted I cancelled right then and there. Oh, and that 90$ was a teaser fee with a 1 year contract (I've had a contract with direcTV but never cable). The entire experience was so dishonest that I didn't care if they were offering the best price (they weren't). Over the next week I demoed slingTV and the streaming direcTV service before setting on youtubeTV. Never going back.
- pier25 8y agoI haven't watched TV in almost a decade. We keep ourselves entertained with Netflix, Blurays, Prime, HBO Go, and the occasional torrent for content that is not available in our country.