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Conversion Therapy seems a lot like violence to me... Although I do agree with you on locked down app stores being a bad idea. Edit: also conversion therapy i

Conversion Therapy seems a lot like violence to me... Although I do agree with you on locked down app stores being a bad idea. Edit: also conversion therapy isn't really what this thing was anyway it seems.

chrinic83 8y ago
> Conversion Therapy seems a lot like violence to me... It doesn't to me. Who is right?
- lenticular 8y ago
  It has severe consequences for the victim. While it's not physical violence, it does far more harm than a punch.
- dwaltrip 8y ago
  Are you really that confident that LGBT is not simply a less-common, totally healthy form of the human experience?
- romwell 8y ago
  The victims are right. Conversation Therapy is associated with increased suicide risks[1]. People are literally killing themselves as a result of going through that experience. I suggest you think more about it. You are free to have your own definition of "violence", so let's instead settle on the more specific "psychological abuse"[2] and agree that it's not something we, as a society, should accept. [1]https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/political-minds/201811/gay-conversion-therapy-associated-suicide-risk https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/political-minds/2018... [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse
ngngngng 8y ago
I think you misunderstand the now expanded definition of conversion therapy. In this instance we're not talking about electric shock or anything like that. Conversion therapy here just means "read these scriptures and testimonials and then you'll be straight".
- dwaltrip 8y ago
  I think LGBT deconversion programs are a form of violence. Imagine being forced to go through a "introvert deconversion" program where you have to read essays and do exercises that are designed to "help" you become an extrovert and shed your "shameful" and "perverted" introvert ways. LGBT deconversion is a far worse version of this.
  - deogeo 8y ago
    Many programs could be seen as a form of violence if you're forced to go through with them.
    - dwaltrip 8y ago
      Ok, imagine your introvert friend was somehow persuaded to voluntarily go through said program. How would feel about that?
      - deogeo 8y ago
        Not good, nor would I feel good about them going through this LGBT 'conversion' app. But I'd feel even worse about helping further normalize corporate censorship.
        dwaltrip 8y ago
        Fair enough, that is entirely different question. I didn't intend to make any implications about that. I should have made that more clear.
      - cameldrv 8y ago
        People do this all the time. Look at Toastmasters. Now, forcing someone that was highly introverted to go to Toastmasters would not be a nice thing to do. Strongly pressuring them to go when they didn't want to would also not be very nice, but that doesn't mean that Google should ban the Toastmasters app. Living in a free society means that not everyone has the same ideas about values or psychology or religion. These things will be debated long after we're all dead. Until every disagreement is resolved, the best solution we've come up with is tolerance. If someone is doing something voluntarily that's not significantly hurting you, even if you don't think it's a good idea for them, you're usually better off shutting up and ignoring it. The last people I want making these decisions is the company that makes my mobile phone operating system for god's sake.

chrinic83 8y ago

> Conversion Therapy seems a lot like violence to me... It doesn't to me. Who is right?

lenticular 8y ago
It has severe consequences for the victim. While it's not physical violence, it does far more harm than a punch.
dwaltrip 8y ago
Are you really that confident that LGBT is not simply a less-common, totally healthy form of the human experience?
romwell 8y ago
The victims are right. Conversation Therapy is associated with increased suicide risks[1]. People are literally killing themselves as a result of going through that experience. I suggest you think more about it. You are free to have your own definition of "violence", so let's instead settle on the more specific "psychological abuse"[2] and agree that it's not something we, as a society, should accept. [1]https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/political-minds/201811/gay-conversion-therapy-associated-suicide-risk https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/political-minds/2018... [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse

ngngngng 8y ago

I think you misunderstand the now expanded definition of conversion therapy. In this instance we're not talking about electric shock or anything like that. Conversion therapy here just means "read these scriptures and testimonials and then you'll be straight".

dwaltrip 8y ago
I think LGBT deconversion programs are a form of violence. Imagine being forced to go through a "introvert deconversion" program where you have to read essays and do exercises that are designed to "help" you become an extrovert and shed your "shameful" and "perverted" introvert ways. LGBT deconversion is a far worse version of this.
- deogeo 8y ago
  Many programs could be seen as a form of violence if you're forced to go through with them.
  - dwaltrip 8y ago
    Ok, imagine your introvert friend was somehow persuaded to voluntarily go through said program. How would feel about that?
    - deogeo 8y ago
      Not good, nor would I feel good about them going through this LGBT 'conversion' app. But I'd feel even worse about helping further normalize corporate censorship.
      - dwaltrip 8y ago
        Fair enough, that is entirely different question. I didn't intend to make any implications about that. I should have made that more clear.
    - cameldrv 8y ago
      People do this all the time. Look at Toastmasters. Now, forcing someone that was highly introverted to go to Toastmasters would not be a nice thing to do. Strongly pressuring them to go when they didn't want to would also not be very nice, but that doesn't mean that Google should ban the Toastmasters app. Living in a free society means that not everyone has the same ideas about values or psychology or religion. These things will be debated long after we're all dead. Until every disagreement is resolved, the best solution we've come up with is tolerance. If someone is doing something voluntarily that's not significantly hurting you, even if you don't think it's a good idea for them, you're usually better off shutting up and ignoring it. The last people I want making these decisions is the company that makes my mobile phone operating system for god's sake.