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There are no easy ways to get 3rd party apps onto a device. You can't import your own repo easily like you can with apt/yum/etc. Google/Apple/Amazon stores are

There are no easy ways to get 3rd party apps onto a device. You can't import your own repo easily like you can with apt/yum/etc. Google/Apple/Amazon stores are bastardizations of the idea of a package repository. Because of this, these companies have a monopoly on types of content. They literally control big parts of the medium for the general public. Honestly, I think it's unfair to pull these apps. You might disagree with the ideas behind them, but individuals should have the choice and options if that is the route and those are the choices they want to make with their own lives. So long as they don't openly advocate violence, ideas should be free. At what point do these type of restrictions affect peoples' freedom of religion?

chris_mc 8y ago
>At what point do these type of restrictions affect peoples' freedom of religion? At the point they don't have any other options. They can teach their conversion therapy in person if they want. They can make websites. They can send out newsletters. They can write books. Why should Google, Apple, MS, or anyone else be forced to host this app? It's clear that the "community standards" don't allow for apps like this, because 139k people want it out and ~20 want the app to stay.
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p1necone 8y ago
Conversion Therapy seems a lot like violence to me... Although I do agree with you on locked down app stores being a bad idea. Edit: also conversion therapy isn't really what this thing was anyway it seems.
- chrinic83 8y ago
  > Conversion Therapy seems a lot like violence to me... It doesn't to me. Who is right?
  - lenticular 8y ago
    It has severe consequences for the victim. While it's not physical violence, it does far more harm than a punch.
  - dwaltrip 8y ago
    Are you really that confident that LGBT is not simply a less-common, totally healthy form of the human experience?
  - romwell 8y ago
    The victims are right. Conversation Therapy is associated with increased suicide risks[1]. People are literally killing themselves as a result of going through that experience. I suggest you think more about it. You are free to have your own definition of "violence", so let's instead settle on the more specific "psychological abuse"[2] and agree that it's not something we, as a society, should accept. [1]https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/political-minds/201811/gay-conversion-therapy-associated-suicide-risk https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/political-minds/2018... [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse
- ngngngng 8y ago
  I think you misunderstand the now expanded definition of conversion therapy. In this instance we're not talking about electric shock or anything like that. Conversion therapy here just means "read these scriptures and testimonials and then you'll be straight".
  - dwaltrip 8y ago
    I think LGBT deconversion programs are a form of violence. Imagine being forced to go through a "introvert deconversion" program where you have to read essays and do exercises that are designed to "help" you become an extrovert and shed your "shameful" and "perverted" introvert ways. LGBT deconversion is a far worse version of this.
    - deogeo 8y ago
      Many programs could be seen as a form of violence if you're forced to go through with them.
      - dwaltrip 8y ago
        Ok, imagine your introvert friend was somehow persuaded to voluntarily go through said program. How would feel about that?
        deogeo 8y ago
        Not good, nor would I feel good about them going through this LGBT 'conversion' app. But I'd feel even worse about helping further normalize corporate censorship.
        dwaltrip 8y ago
        Fair enough, that is entirely different question. I didn't intend to make any implications about that. I should have made that more clear.
        cameldrv 8y ago
chc 8y ago
On iPhone this is true, but it's easy as heck on Android. You can just download an APK from the Web and install it, or you can install a secondary repository like APKPure if you want a centralized source. Having done both several times, I'd say it is generally harder to install an app that isn't in your distro's standard repo on Linux than it is to install an app outside the Play Store on Android.
sithadmin 8y ago
>There are no easy ways to get 3rd party apps onto a device. FWIW, on Android, it's as simple as downloading a package and allowing installation from 'unknown sources'. It's a trivial and common process.
- lol768 8y ago
  >FWIW, on Android, it's as simple as downloading a package and allowing installation from 'unknown sources'. It's a trivial and common process. Indeed, and there are apps (F-Droid) that'll handle automatic update checks, searching and downloading of APKs etc for you.
jancsika 8y ago
At the point that someone tries to block them from being distributed across public infrastructure like the internet. As long as we're talking about Google's app store, we're limited to talking about Google's terms of service and the relative pressure from the outside groups to force them to either keep/remove the app or suffer bad PR from said groups.
paulcole 8y ago
> They literally control big parts of the medium for the general public Conversion therapy is not for the "general public." It's an anti-science and extremist form of homophobia with potentially serious consequences for the victims. And honestly, that's a charitable interpretation. Honestly this is the exact sort of shit that should be pulled by any company with a backbone.
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chris_mc 8y ago

>At what point do these type of restrictions affect peoples' freedom of religion? At the point they don't have any other options. They can teach their conversion therapy in person if they want. They can make websites. They can send out newsletters. They can write books. Why should Google, Apple, MS, or anyone else be forced to host this app? It's clear that the "community standards" don't allow for apps like this, because 139k people want it out and ~20 want the app to stay.

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p1necone 8y ago

Conversion Therapy seems a lot like violence to me... Although I do agree with you on locked down app stores being a bad idea. Edit: also conversion therapy isn't really what this thing was anyway it seems.

chrinic83 8y ago
> Conversion Therapy seems a lot like violence to me... It doesn't to me. Who is right?
- lenticular 8y ago
  It has severe consequences for the victim. While it's not physical violence, it does far more harm than a punch.
- dwaltrip 8y ago
  Are you really that confident that LGBT is not simply a less-common, totally healthy form of the human experience?
- romwell 8y ago
  The victims are right. Conversation Therapy is associated with increased suicide risks[1]. People are literally killing themselves as a result of going through that experience. I suggest you think more about it. You are free to have your own definition of "violence", so let's instead settle on the more specific "psychological abuse"[2] and agree that it's not something we, as a society, should accept. [1]https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/political-minds/201811/gay-conversion-therapy-associated-suicide-risk https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/political-minds/2018... [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse
ngngngng 8y ago
I think you misunderstand the now expanded definition of conversion therapy. In this instance we're not talking about electric shock or anything like that. Conversion therapy here just means "read these scriptures and testimonials and then you'll be straight".
- dwaltrip 8y ago
  I think LGBT deconversion programs are a form of violence. Imagine being forced to go through a "introvert deconversion" program where you have to read essays and do exercises that are designed to "help" you become an extrovert and shed your "shameful" and "perverted" introvert ways. LGBT deconversion is a far worse version of this.
  - deogeo 8y ago
    Many programs could be seen as a form of violence if you're forced to go through with them.
    - dwaltrip 8y ago
      Ok, imagine your introvert friend was somehow persuaded to voluntarily go through said program. How would feel about that?
      - deogeo 8y ago
        Not good, nor would I feel good about them going through this LGBT 'conversion' app. But I'd feel even worse about helping further normalize corporate censorship.
        dwaltrip 8y ago
        Fair enough, that is entirely different question. I didn't intend to make any implications about that. I should have made that more clear.
      - cameldrv 8y ago

chc 8y ago

On iPhone this is true, but it's easy as heck on Android. You can just download an APK from the Web and install it, or you can install a secondary repository like APKPure if you want a centralized source. Having done both several times, I'd say it is generally harder to install an app that isn't in your distro's standard repo on Linux than it is to install an app outside the Play Store on Android.

sithadmin 8y ago

>There are no easy ways to get 3rd party apps onto a device. FWIW, on Android, it's as simple as downloading a package and allowing installation from 'unknown sources'. It's a trivial and common process.

lol768 8y ago
>FWIW, on Android, it's as simple as downloading a package and allowing installation from 'unknown sources'. It's a trivial and common process. Indeed, and there are apps (F-Droid) that'll handle automatic update checks, searching and downloading of APKs etc for you.

jancsika 8y ago

At the point that someone tries to block them from being distributed across public infrastructure like the internet. As long as we're talking about Google's app store, we're limited to talking about Google's terms of service and the relative pressure from the outside groups to force them to either keep/remove the app or suffer bad PR from said groups.

paulcole 8y ago

> They literally control big parts of the medium for the general public Conversion therapy is not for the "general public." It's an anti-science and extremist form of homophobia with potentially serious consequences for the victims. And honestly, that's a charitable interpretation. Honestly this is the exact sort of shit that should be pulled by any company with a backbone.

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