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This effort is effectively the revival of half of Gallium. At the end Gallium was a combination of two debugging techniques — it was both a "native" gdb/lldb-s

by 3JPLW 8y ago

This effort is effectively the revival of half of Gallium. At the end Gallium was a combination of two debugging techniques — it was both a "native" gdb/lldb-style compiled debugger as well as an interpreter. The native debugging was fast but indeed challenging and rather limited — most Julia code gets optimized away when it gets compiled leaving you with a rather unhelpful stack frame that's challenging to line back up with your original code. So there was also a rudimentary interpreter (the ancestor of this interpreter) for other cases.

saagarjha 8y ago
Is there no way to compile Julia with debugging symbols and frame pointers?
- eigenspace 8y ago
  Something like this is currently being attempted with MagneticReadHead.jl[1] which also just saw its first beta release. It's a pretty cool tool, using Cassette to essentially do an extra compiler pass, descending into code from other modules and inject the appropriate debugging tools. [1] https://github.com/oxinabox/MagneticReadHead.jl https://github.com/oxinabox/MagneticReadHead.jl
  - StefanKarpinski 8y ago
    MagneticReadHead is a bit different than what I think your parent post was asking about—that's more what Gallium was. The breakdown of approach is: 1. Gallium was a traditional gdb/lldb-style debugger 2. Debugger.jl is a pure interpreting debugger 3. MagneticReadHead works by compiling a modified version of the code you want to debug that is instrumented to add debugging hooks (this is different from how gdb/lldb work).
    - eigenspace 8y ago
      Oh I misread the parent. My bad.
- wallnuss 8y ago
  It does by default so you can use gdb/lldb and perf on Julia code.
- StefanKarpinski 8y ago
  If you want to debug Julia itself, you can use gdb/lldb on it. That plus using the `jl_` function to dump values gets you a pretty decent debugger if you're comfortable in gdb/lldb, but it's not an experience that most Julia users would be happy with and you cannot evaluate code in the current stack frame's context or set breakpoints with Julia expressions as conditions. Debugger.jl lets you do all of that.

by 3JPLW 8y ago

saagarjha 8y ago

Is there no way to compile Julia with debugging symbols and frame pointers?

eigenspace 8y ago
Something like this is currently being attempted with MagneticReadHead.jl[1] which also just saw its first beta release. It's a pretty cool tool, using Cassette to essentially do an extra compiler pass, descending into code from other modules and inject the appropriate debugging tools. [1] https://github.com/oxinabox/MagneticReadHead.jl https://github.com/oxinabox/MagneticReadHead.jl
- StefanKarpinski 8y ago
  MagneticReadHead is a bit different than what I think your parent post was asking about—that's more what Gallium was. The breakdown of approach is: 1. Gallium was a traditional gdb/lldb-style debugger 2. Debugger.jl is a pure interpreting debugger 3. MagneticReadHead works by compiling a modified version of the code you want to debug that is instrumented to add debugging hooks (this is different from how gdb/lldb work).
  - eigenspace 8y ago
    Oh I misread the parent. My bad.
wallnuss 8y ago
It does by default so you can use gdb/lldb and perf on Julia code.
StefanKarpinski 8y ago
If you want to debug Julia itself, you can use gdb/lldb on it. That plus using the `jl_` function to dump values gets you a pretty decent debugger if you're comfortable in gdb/lldb, but it's not an experience that most Julia users would be happy with and you cannot evaluate code in the current stack frame's context or set breakpoints with Julia expressions as conditions. Debugger.jl lets you do all of that.