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> I get that it’s fun to beat up on Tesla. There are many reasons to legitimately shit on Tesla including their worker treatment, statements made by their CEO

> I get that it’s fun to beat up on Tesla. There are many reasons to legitimately shit on Tesla including their worker treatment, statements made by their CEO etc.

zaroth 8y ago
The point isn’t that you can prove Tesla isn’t perfect. That goes without saying. The assertion was they are so far from perfect that in fact their IP isn’t even defensible in a court of law. So please don’t reply with more quips about how Tesla isn’t perfect. Why does their CEO mouthing off on Twitter, or attacking disgruntled employees, or dubious onsite health care, or pie-in-the-sky volume estimates, or market manipulation, or literal dumpster fires on their property, mean that their IP is so much shit it can be stolen without consequence? Throughout, despite, or perhaps even in part due to all of the above, they have still achieved great things and changed an industry. They are still the biggest battery manufacturer in the world. They still make a handful of really fucking awesome electric cars, which you can order in a few minutes on your phone and have delivered to your house. And their margins on those cars are the industry best. Those points seem to support the notion that they must have some valuable logistical IP and trade secrets backing that up.
- gamblor956 8y ago
  I'm not saying that Tesla has no valuable IP (it's brand IP is quite valuable). I am saying that its logistics IP is worth nothing to another company, and right now its logistics IP isn't worth much to Tesla either. Even Musk acknowledges that they're in "logistics hell" right now...
  - hector_vasquez 8y ago
    Seems quite odd that people keep trying to steal worthless property.
- threeseed 8y ago
  What are you talking about ? Nobody said that Tesla's IP was not valuable or that stealing it is okay.
  - zaroth 8y ago
    Oh, that’s funny. All this time commenting on my phone, I just realized I posted my OP as a top-level comment and not as a reply to gamblor956 as intended. > But given the shitshow that is Tesla's logistics , that's extremely unlikely, as Tesla's logistics processes simply aren't valuable IP. Tesla has displayed a chronic inability to manage their own supply chain, especially during the period the employees were at Tesla. If anything, Zoox used the information allegedly taken from Tesla as an example of what not to do logistically, and trade secrets law doesn't let you sue for that.

> I get that it’s fun to beat up on Tesla. There are many reasons to legitimately shit on Tesla including their worker treatment, statements made by their CEO etc.

zaroth 8y ago

The point isn’t that you can prove Tesla isn’t perfect. That goes without saying. The assertion was they are so far from perfect that in fact their IP isn’t even defensible in a court of law. So please don’t reply with more quips about how Tesla isn’t perfect. Why does their CEO mouthing off on Twitter, or attacking disgruntled employees, or dubious onsite health care, or pie-in-the-sky volume estimates, or market manipulation, or literal dumpster fires on their property, mean that their IP is so much shit it can be stolen without consequence? Throughout, despite, or perhaps even in part due to all of the above, they have still achieved great things and changed an industry. They are still the biggest battery manufacturer in the world. They still make a handful of really fucking awesome electric cars, which you can order in a few minutes on your phone and have delivered to your house. And their margins on those cars are the industry best. Those points seem to support the notion that they must have some valuable logistical IP and trade secrets backing that up.

gamblor956 8y ago
I'm not saying that Tesla has no valuable IP (it's brand IP is quite valuable). I am saying that its logistics IP is worth nothing to another company, and right now its logistics IP isn't worth much to Tesla either. Even Musk acknowledges that they're in "logistics hell" right now...
- hector_vasquez 8y ago
  Seems quite odd that people keep trying to steal worthless property.
threeseed 8y ago
What are you talking about ? Nobody said that Tesla's IP was not valuable or that stealing it is okay.
- zaroth 8y ago
  Oh, that’s funny. All this time commenting on my phone, I just realized I posted my OP as a top-level comment and not as a reply to gamblor956 as intended. > But given the shitshow that is Tesla's logistics , that's extremely unlikely, as Tesla's logistics processes simply aren't valuable IP. Tesla has displayed a chronic inability to manage their own supply chain, especially during the period the employees were at Tesla. If anything, Zoox used the information allegedly taken from Tesla as an example of what not to do logistically, and trade secrets law doesn't let you sue for that.