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> Software developers want to have their cake and eat it too (power and respect with no oversight and governance). This doesn't come from software developers.

> Software developers want to have their cake and eat it too (power and respect with no oversight and governance). This doesn't come from software developers. This comes from the SV culture of "move fast and break things."

toomuchtodo 8y ago
I painted too broad strokes. I agree, and admit my mistake.
- mfoy_ 8y ago
  Just replace "software developer" with "self-proclaimed software engineer" in your comment and you'd be spot-on.
  - balls187 8y ago
    Nothing about engineering really covers security best principles and practices. I went through classical engineering school, and I'd summarize with three categories: * Newtonian Physics & The Mathematics Behind It (i.e. Differential Equations) * Ethics * Technical Communications
    - mfoy_ 8y ago
      That's because there is no software engineering program, and other engineering programs don't deal with "security" per se.
      - balls187 8y ago
        My alma mater offers a degree in Software Engineering.
jammygit 8y ago
I think that was actually invented at Facebook in the early days, unless I'm mistaken. Its a good mantra unless its security related